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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: Nivedita Singhvi <niv@us.ibm.com>
Cc: shemminger@osdl.org, ahu@ds9a.nl, acme@conectiva.com.br,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com, alessandro.suardi@oracle.com,
	phyprabab@yahoo.com, linux-net@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fix tcp_default_win_scale.
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:16:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040706131617.39484eff.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40EB04C7.4000007@us.ibm.com>

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:00:07 -0700
Nivedita Singhvi <niv@us.ibm.com> wrote:

> Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > Recent TCP changes exposed the problem that there ar lots of really broken firewalls 
> > that strip or alter TCP options.
> 
> We should not be accepting of this situation, surely. I mean, the firewalls
> have to get fixed. Multiple things are breaking here, due to this. What
> are the other options they are messing with, and and any idea why?

I totally agree with Nivedita, and that's why I'm not going to
apply Stephen's patch.

> If the firewall is actually stripping the TCP window scaling option,
> then that tells the other end that we can't *receive* scaled windows
> either, since the option indicates both, we are sending and capable
> of receiving. i.e. The other end will not send us scaled windows.
> There is no way we can fix this on the rcv end.
> 

That's correct.  If the SYN contains a window scale option, this tells
the SYN+ACK sending side that both receive and send side window scaling
is supported.  I think what's really happening is that the firewall is
patching the non-zero window scale option in the SYN+ACK  packet to be
zero, yet not adjusting the window field of packets in the rest of the
TCP stream.

> Does this need to be the default behaviour? Just how prevalent is
> this??

Frankly, I've personally seen none of this.  I sit on a DSL line with
no firewalling at my end and I can access all sites just fine.  This
seems to indicate that most of the breakage is local to the user's
point of access to the net, rather than a firewall at google.com
or kernel.org or similar.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-07-06 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <32886.63.170.215.71.1088564087.squirrel@www.osdl.org>
     [not found] ` <20040629222751.392f0a82.davem@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <20040630152750.2d01ca51@dell_ss3.pdx.osdl.net>
     [not found]     ` <20040630153049.3ca25b76.davem@redhat.com>
2004-07-01 20:37       ` [PATCH] TCP acts like it is always out of memory Stephen Hemminger
2004-07-01 21:04         ` David S. Miller
2004-07-02  1:32           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2004-07-06  9:35             ` analysis of TCP window size issues still around - several reports / SACK involved? bert hubert
2004-07-06 18:47               ` [PATCH] fix tcp_default_win_scale Stephen Hemminger
2004-07-06 19:40                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-07-06 20:05                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-07-06 20:28                     ` David S. Miller
2004-07-06 20:36                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-07-06 20:35                         ` David S. Miller
2004-07-06 21:55                           ` John Heffner
2004-07-06 22:50                             ` David S. Miller
2004-07-07  1:32                               ` John Heffner
2004-07-06 23:01                           ` PLS help fix: recent 2.6.7 won't connect to anything " bert hubert
2004-07-06 20:12                   ` David S. Miller
2004-07-06 22:44                     ` bert hubert
2004-07-06 22:49                       ` David S. Miller
2004-07-07 18:06                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-07-07 19:31                           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-07-07 19:38                             ` bert hubert
2004-07-07 19:41                           ` John Heffner
2004-07-09 23:14                           ` David S. Miller
2004-07-06 20:00                 ` Nivedita Singhvi
2004-07-06 20:16                   ` David S. Miller [this message]
2004-07-06 20:26                     ` David Ford
     [not found]                 ` <20040706185856.GN18841@lug-owl.de>
2004-07-06 20:17                   ` David S. Miller
2004-07-06 20:31                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-07-06 20:33                       ` David S. Miller
2004-07-06 20:24                 ` David S. Miller
2004-07-06 23:16                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-07-07  7:50                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-07-06 23:19                 ` Redeeman
2004-07-07 19:47                 ` John Heffner
2004-07-06 20:19               ` analysis of TCP window size issues still around - several reports / SACK involved? David S. Miller
2004-07-06 20:27                 ` bert hubert
2004-07-06 20:31                   ` David S. Miller
2004-07-07 21:25                   ` Alessandro Suardi
2004-07-06 20:35 [PATCH] fix tcp_default_win_scale Tim Berti
2004-07-06 20:54 ` David Ford

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