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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: ak@suse.de, colin@colino.net, akpm@osdl.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Prevent netpoll hanging when link is down
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:43:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041007234322.GW31237@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041007150756.2373719f.davem@davemloft.net>

On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 03:07:56PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:50:26 -0500
> Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com> wrote:
> 
> > > The only drawback is that there won't be a reply when the driver try
> > > lock fails, but netpoll doesn't have a queue for that anyways. You could
> > > probably poll then, but I'm not sure it's a good idea.
> > 
> > But your meaning here is not entirely clear.
> 
> If another thread on another cpu is in the dev->hard_start_xmit() routine,
> then it will have it's tx device lock held, and netpoll will simply get an
> immediate return from ->hard_start_xmit() with error NETDEV_TX_LOCKED.
> 
> The packet will thus not be sent, and because netpoll does not have a
> backlog queue for tx packets of any kind the packet lost forever.
> 
> NETDEV_TX_LOCKED is a transient condition.  It works for the rest of the
> kernel because whoever holds the tx lock on the device, will recheck the
> device packet transmit queue when it drops that lock and returns from
> ->hard_start_xmit().
> 
> Andi is merely noting how netpoll's design does not have such a model,
> which is why the NETIF_F_LLTX semantics don't mesh very well.
> 
> It is unclear if it ise wise that netpoll_send_skb() currently spins
> on ->hard_start_xmit() returning NETDEV_TX_LOCKED.  That could
> result in some kind of deadlocks.

Deadlocks from recursion, presumably? We could probably throw in a max
retry count, as ugly as that is..

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-07 23:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20041006232544.53615761@jack.colino.net>
2004-10-06 21:43 ` [PATCH] Prevent netpoll hanging when link is down Matt Mackall
2004-10-07  5:53   ` Colin Leroy
2004-10-07  6:49     ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07  8:33       ` Colin Leroy
2004-10-07  8:45         ` Colin Leroy
2004-10-07 14:05       ` Colin Leroy
2004-10-07 18:28         ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 18:41           ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-07 20:00             ` Colin Leroy
2004-10-07 18:43           ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-07 20:44           ` Colin Leroy
2004-10-07 21:45             ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-07 21:50               ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-07 22:07                 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-07 23:43                   ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2004-10-07 23:50                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-08  6:46                       ` Colin Leroy
2004-10-08 21:53                         ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-08  7:06               ` Colin Leroy
2004-10-08 22:00                 ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-08 22:18                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-11  3:59                     ` David S. Miller
2004-10-11 15:40                       ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-11 16:22                         ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-11 16:32                           ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-11 16:36                             ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-11 16:43                               ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-11 16:58                                 ` Matt Mackall
2004-10-11 17:41                                   ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-11 20:45                                   ` Colin Leroy
     [not found]                                     ` <5cac192f0410181443303379e2@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                       ` <5cac192f041018145824acce5a@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                         ` <20041020161119.6e30efe5@pirandello>
     [not found]                                           ` <5cac192f0410200848179ccc81@mail.gmail.com>
2004-10-21 16:36                                             ` Colin Leroy
2004-10-24 15:22                                               ` Eric Lemoine
2004-10-07 22:08             ` David S. Miller
2004-10-08  6:54               ` Colin Leroy

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