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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
To: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
Cc: rhee@eos.ncsu.edu, jheffner@psc.edu, Yee-Ting.Li@nuim.ie,
	baruch@ev-en.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: netif_rx packet dumping
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:55:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050303125556.6850cfe5.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050303123811.4d934249@dxpl.pdx.osdl.net>

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 12:38:11 -0800
Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org> wrote:

> The existing throttling algorithm causes all packets to be dumped
> (until queue emptys) when the packet backlog reaches
> netdev_max_backog. I suppose this is some kind of DoS prevention
> mechanism. The problem is that this dumping action creates mulitple
> packet loss that forces TCP back to slow start.
> 
> But, all this is really moot for the case of any reasonably high speed
> device because of NAPI. netif_rx is not even used for any device that
> uses NAPI.  The NAPI code path uses net_receive_skb and the receive
> queue management is done by the receive scheduling (dev->quota) of the
> rx_scheduler.

Even without NAPI, netif_rx() ends up using the quota etc. machanisms
when the queue gets processed via process_backlog().

ksoftirqd should handle cpu starvation issues at a higher level.

I think it is therefore safe to remove the netif_max_backlog stuff
altogether.  "300" is such a non-sense setting, especially for gigabit
drivers which aren't using NAPI for whatever reason.  It's even low
for a system with 2 100Mbit devices.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-03 20:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-03 20:38 netif_rx packet dumping Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-03 20:55 ` David S. Miller [this message]
2005-03-03 21:01   ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-03 21:18   ` jamal
2005-03-03 21:21     ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-03 21:24       ` jamal
2005-03-03 21:32         ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 21:54           ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-03 22:02             ` John Heffner
2005-03-03 22:26               ` jamal
2005-03-03 23:16                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-03 23:40                   ` jamal
2005-03-03 23:48                   ` Baruch Even
2005-03-04  3:45                     ` jamal
2005-03-04  8:47                       ` Baruch Even
2005-03-07 13:55                         ` jamal
2005-03-08 15:56                           ` Baruch Even
2005-03-08 22:02                             ` jamal
2005-03-22 21:55                             ` cliff white
2005-03-03 23:48                   ` John Heffner
2005-03-04  1:42                     ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-03-04  3:10                       ` John Heffner
2005-03-04  3:31                         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-03-04 19:52                 ` Edgar E Iglesias
2005-03-04 19:54                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-04 21:41                     ` Edgar E Iglesias
2005-03-04 19:49             ` Jason Lunz
2005-03-03 22:01           ` jamal
2005-03-03 21:26 ` Baruch Even
2005-03-03 21:36   ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 21:44     ` Baruch Even
2005-03-03 21:54       ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-03 22:04         ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 21:57       ` David S. Miller
2005-03-03 22:14         ` Baruch Even
2005-03-08 15:42         ` Baruch Even
2005-03-08 17:00           ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-08 18:01             ` Baruch Even
2005-03-08 18:09             ` David S. Miller
2005-03-08 18:18               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-08 18:37                 ` Thomas Graf
2005-03-08 18:51                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2005-03-08 22:16                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-08 18:27               ` Ben Greear
2005-03-09 23:57                 ` Thomas Graf
2005-03-10  0:03                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-03-10  8:33                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-10 14:08                     ` Thomas Graf
2005-03-31 16:33         ` Baruch Even
2005-03-03 22:03   ` jamal
2005-03-03 22:31     ` Baruch Even

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