From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: Scott Feldman <sfeldma@pobox.com>
Cc: "<alex@neterion.com>" <alex@neterion.com>,
"<netdev@oss.sgi.com>" <netdev@oss.sgi.com>,
"<leonid@neterion.com>" <leonid@neterion.com>,
"'Jeff Garzik'" <jgarzik@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Experimental Driver for Neterion/S2io 10GbE Adapters
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:59:34 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050315055934.GJ3163@waste.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bd1c90987d5e22481f0fa2ac3f63ced3@pobox.com>
On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 09:14:59PM -0800, Scott Feldman wrote:
>
> On Mar 14, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Alex Aizman wrote:
>
> >HAL-based
> >=========
> >Most Neterion drivers are HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) based. This
> >is
> >always a curse and blessing; in our experience this was the latter by
> >a big
> >margin. While the current "s2io" driver in the kernel doesn't share
> >HAL code
> >with other driver, the "xge" driver is HAL-based.
>
> e1000 and ixgb are HAL-based, which is why there is always push back
> when someone in the community modifies *_hw.[ch]. I'd hate to see more
> of this in the kernel, but I can definitely relate to the "testing
> across multiple OSes" gain.
>
> Here's an (old?) idea: remember the NDIS-wrapper project? I think the
> reverse is much more interesting. A linux-wrapper takes a plain old
> Linux driver and wraps it with what ever is needed to make it an NDIS
> driver. Or FreeBSD, or whatever. Let's pretend this is trivial for a
> second. What do we gain? 1) one clean Linux driver to maintain, 2)
> testability on other OSes, and 3) access to other OSes' certification
> kits. Licensing is clean: the Linux driver is GPL and the
> linux-wrapper code is GPL. Can't the world revolve around Linux and
> let everyone else be burdened with the abstraction layer overhead?
Depends. Vendors of non-GPL OSes can't ship such drivers for risk of
their product becoming a derived work to the extent they're relying on
such drivers to make their system useful.
You can't get around the GPL by putting a GPL wrapper with an
exception around something.
--
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-03-15 5:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-02-19 3:44 Intel and TOE in the news Jeff Garzik
2005-02-19 4:10 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-02-19 19:46 ` David S. Miller
2005-02-19 20:27 ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-19 20:32 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-02-20 16:46 ` Eugene Surovegin
2005-02-21 14:01 ` jamal
2005-02-20 19:45 ` rick jones
2005-02-20 21:20 ` Michael Richardson
2005-02-20 21:29 ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-20 22:43 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-20 23:07 ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-21 1:57 ` Alex Aizman
2005-02-21 2:37 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-02-21 19:34 ` Alex Aizman
2005-02-21 20:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-02-22 0:50 ` Alex Aizman
2005-02-21 11:37 ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-21 3:31 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-21 11:50 ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-21 13:28 ` Thomas Graf
2005-02-21 14:03 ` jamal
2005-02-21 14:17 ` Thomas Graf
2005-02-21 14:31 ` jamal
2005-02-21 15:34 ` Thomas Graf
2005-02-21 15:48 ` jamal
2005-02-21 16:40 ` Thomas Graf
2005-02-21 17:03 ` jamal
2005-02-21 20:12 ` patrick mcmanus
2005-02-21 21:12 ` jamal
2005-03-06 11:21 ` Harald Welte
2005-02-21 21:41 ` Thomas Graf
2005-02-21 15:38 ` Robert Olsson
2005-02-21 15:50 ` jamal
2005-02-21 13:44 ` jamal
2005-02-21 16:52 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-21 17:11 ` jamal
2005-02-21 18:02 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-22 18:02 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-02-22 18:07 ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-22 20:51 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-22 21:20 ` Rick Jones
2005-02-22 21:30 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-22 21:42 ` Rick Jones
2005-02-22 22:10 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-22 21:43 ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-22 22:17 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-22 22:42 ` Andi Kleen
2005-02-22 22:51 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-03-14 20:22 ` [ANNOUNCE] Experimental Driver for Neterion/S2io 10GbE Adapters Alex Aizman
2005-03-14 20:38 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-14 20:53 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-03-14 23:27 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-14 23:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-03-15 0:32 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-03-15 1:07 ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-15 1:29 ` Rick Jones
2005-03-15 2:28 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-03-15 15:07 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-03-15 15:55 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-03-19 20:15 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-19 22:19 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-03-20 13:40 ` jamal
2005-03-20 20:13 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-03-15 5:14 ` Scott Feldman
2005-03-15 5:59 ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2005-03-15 6:02 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-22 17:27 ` Intel and TOE in the news Andi Kleen
2005-02-19 20:29 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-03-02 13:48 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-03-02 17:34 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-02-21 13:59 ` P
2005-02-21 14:10 ` jamal
2005-02-21 22:44 ` Stephen Hemminger
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-22 23:29 [ANNOUNCE] Experimental Driver for Neterion/S2io 10GbE Adapters Alex Aizman
2005-08-11 17:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-11 19:40 Leonid Grossman
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