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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Mike Christie <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>,
	Dmitry Yusupov <dmitry_yus@yahoo.com>,
	open-iscsi@googlegroups.com,
	James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com,
	ksummit-2005-discuss@thunk.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:04:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050327060403.GE4053@g5.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050327054831.GA15453@waste.org>

On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 09:48:31PM -0800, Matt Mackall wrote:
> I believe the mempool can be shared among all sockets that represent
> the same storage device. Packets out any socket represent progress.

What's the point to have more than one socket connected to each storage
device anyway?

> Yes, done before it was even called iSCSI.

Ok, theoretical deadlock conditions aren't nice anyway, but knowing this
is a real life problem too makes it more interesting ;).

> The receive buffer is allocated at the time we DMA it from the card.
> We have no idea of its contents and we won't know what socket mempool
> to pull the receive skbuff from until much higher in the network
> stack, which could be quite a while later if we're under OOM load. And
> we can't have a mempool big enough to handle all the traffic that
> might potentially be deferred for softirq processing when we're OOM,
> especially at gigabit rates.
> 
> I think this is actually the tricky piece of the problem and solving
> the socket and send buffer allocation doesn't help until this gets
> figured out.
> 
> We could perhaps try to address this with another special receive-side
> alloc_skb that fails most of the time on OOM but sometimes pulls from
> a special reserve.

One algo to handle this is: after we get the gfp_atomic failure, we
look at all the mempools are registered for a certain NIC, and we pick
a random mempools that isn't empty. We use the non-empty mempool to
receive the packet, and we let the netif_rx process the packet. Then if
going up the stack we find that the packet doesn't belong to the
socket-mempool, we discard the packet and we release the ram back into
the mempool. This should make progress since eventually the right packet
will go in the right mempool.

> > Perhaps the mempooling overhead will be too huge to pay for it even when
> > it's not necessary, in such case the iscsid will have to pass a new
> > bitflag to the socket syscall, when it creates the socket meant to talk
> > with the remote disk.
> 
> I think we probably attach a mempool to a socket after the fact. And

I guess you meant before the fact (i.e. before the connection to the
server), anything attached after the fact (whatever the fact is ;) isn't
going to help.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-27  6:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4241D106.8050302@cs.wisc.edu>
     [not found] ` <20050324101622S.fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
     [not found]   ` <1111628393.1548.307.camel@beastie>
     [not found]     ` <20050324113312W.fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
     [not found]       ` <1111633846.1548.318.camel@beastie>
     [not found]         ` <20050324215922.GT14202@opteron.random>
     [not found]           ` <424346FE.20704@cs.wisc.edu>
     [not found]             ` <20050324233921.GZ14202@opteron.random>
     [not found]               ` <20050325034341.GV32638@waste.org>
     [not found]                 ` <20050327035149.GD4053@g5.random>
2005-03-27  5:48                   ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Matt Mackall
2005-03-27  6:04                     ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2005-03-27  6:38                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-27 14:50                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-27  6:33                     ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27  6:46                       ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27  7:05                         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27  7:57                           ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27  8:18                             ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 18:26                               ` Mike Christie
2005-03-27 18:31                                 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27 19:58                                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-27 21:49                                   ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 18:47                                 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 21:14                         ` Alex Aizman
     [not found]                         ` <20050327211506.85EDA16022F6@mx1.suse.de>
2005-03-28  0:15                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-28  3:54                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-28  4:34                           ` David S. Miller
2005-03-28  4:50                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-28  6:58                           ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-28 16:12                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-28 16:22                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-28 16:24                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 15:11                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 15:29                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 17:03                                 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-28 16:28                             ` James Bottomley
2005-03-29 15:20                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 15:56                                 ` James Bottomley
2005-03-29 17:19                                 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-29 21:08                                   ` jamal
2005-03-29 22:00                                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 22:17                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-29 23:30                                         ` jamal
2005-03-29 23:00                                       ` jamal
2005-03-29 23:25                                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-30  0:30                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-30 15:24                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 22:03                                     ` Rick Jones
2005-03-29 23:13                                       ` jamal
2005-03-30  2:28                                         ` Alex Aizman
     [not found]                                         ` <E1DGSwp-0004ZE-00@thunker.thunk.org>
2005-03-30 17:16                                           ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-30 18:46                                         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 15:22                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 15:33                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 15:38                                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 15:39                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 15:44                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 15:50                                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 16:04                                               ` James Bottomley
2005-03-30 17:48                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-30 16:02                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 16:15                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 16:55                                                 ` jamal
2005-03-30 18:42                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 19:28                                                 ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-31 11:41                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 12:12                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 18:59                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 19:04                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 15:35                                                   ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-31 19:15                                                   ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-31 19:34                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 19:39                                                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 11:45                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 11:50                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 17:09                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-31 22:05                                                     ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 17:24                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-30 17:39                                         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 20:10                                           ` Mike Christie
2005-03-30 17:07                                     ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-30  5:12                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-28 16:37                             ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-28 19:45                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-03-28 20:32                           ` Topic: Remote DMA network technologies Gerrit Huizenga
2005-03-28 20:36                             ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                           ` <1112042936.5088.22.camel@beastie>
2005-03-28 22:32                             ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Benjamin LaHaise
2005-03-29  3:19                               ` Linux support for RDMA (was: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics) Roland Dreier
2005-03-30 16:00                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-03-31  1:08                                   ` Linux support for RDMA H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-02 18:08                               ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Dmitry Yusupov
2005-04-02 19:13                                 ` Ming Zhang
2005-04-04  6:31                                 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-04 18:57                                 ` Rick Jones
2005-03-29  3:14                             ` Linux support for RDMA (was: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics) Roland Dreier
     [not found] <42472259.2866086e.3169.318fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.googlegroups.com>
2005-03-27 21:18 ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Alex Aizman
2005-03-27 21:53 Alex Aizman

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