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From: Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>, jketreno@linux.intel.com
Cc: pavel@ucw.cz, jgarzik@pobox.com, netdev@oss.sgi.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ipw2100-admin@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: ipw2100: firmware problem
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:03:49 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200506090903.49295.vda@ilport.com.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050608.124332.85408883.davem@davemloft.net>

On Wednesday 08 June 2005 22:43, David S. Miller wrote:
> From: James Ketrenos <jketreno@linux.intel.com>
> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:10:37 -0500
> 
> > My approach is to make the driver so it supports as many usage models as
> > possible, leaving policy to other components of the system.
> 
> I don't see how this kind of firmware load setup handles something
> like an NFS root over such a device that requires firmware.

You practically cannot avoid having initrd because you are very likely
to need to do some wifi config (at least ESSID and mode).
Well, you can, but it gets more arcane with each turn
(essid=,mode= module parameters - in each and every wifi driver!
and what if you need to set basic rates? Yet another parameter?).

It's analogous to DHCP+NFS_root boot - we do have ugly hack
of kernelspace dhcp client, but IIRC it is agreed that the Right Thing
is to do such things in userspace (if needed, via initrd/initramfs).

It simply allows for way more options what you can do in early boot
if you have early userspace.
--
vda

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-06-09  6:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-08 14:23 ipw2100: firmware problem Pavel Machek
2005-06-08 14:44 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 14:56   ` Jirka Bohac
2005-06-08 16:29     ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-21  7:42     ` Simon Kelley
2005-06-21  8:29       ` Feyd
2005-06-21  8:46         ` Simon Kelley
2005-06-08 15:05   ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-08 15:23     ` Jiri Benc
2005-06-09  6:09     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  6:16       ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:25         ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  6:28           ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:37             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  8:36               ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-06-09 10:42         ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-09 19:53           ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09 21:01             ` James Ketrenos
2005-06-09 21:11               ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-09 21:15               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-06-09 22:11               ` David S. Miller
2005-06-10  2:13               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-06-10  2:46                 ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-10  9:00                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-10 13:00                     ` John Stoffel
2005-06-10 13:33                     ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-09 14:31       ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-10  6:56         ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-10 13:23           ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-10 20:26             ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 21:00               ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-10 21:07                 ` Lee Revell
2005-06-13 16:42               ` Jan Rychter
2005-06-11 12:44             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 17:10   ` James Ketrenos
2005-06-08 19:43     ` David S. Miller
2005-06-08 19:49       ` Dave Jones
2005-06-08 19:54         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:03       ` Denis Vlasenko [this message]
2005-06-09  6:10         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:17           ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  6:20             ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:30               ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  6:35                 ` David S. Miller
2005-06-10  3:51                 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-09  6:06       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-06-09  6:13         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:29           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-06-08 16:58 ` James Ketrenos
2005-06-08 21:27   ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-08 21:46     ` James Ketrenos
2005-06-08 22:34       ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-09  3:33         ` Zhu Yi
2005-06-09 10:56           ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-09 13:56   ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-09 21:12     ` Olivier Galibert
2005-06-09 23:13       ` Jeff Garzik

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