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From: Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>
To: <abonilla@linuxwireless.org>, "'Pavel Machek'" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"'Jeff Garzik'" <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	"'Netdev list'" <netdev@oss.sgi.com>,
	"'kernel list'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'James P. Ketrenos'" <ipw2100-admin@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: ipw2100: firmware problem
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:56:16 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200506100956.16031.vda@ilport.com.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <002a01c56cff$fb64ba70$600cc60a@amer.sykes.com>

On Thursday 09 June 2005 17:31, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> 
> > What is so nice about this? That Linux novice user with his new lappie
> > will join a neighbor's network every time he powers up the lappie,
> > even without knowing that?
> >
> > That will be analogous to me plugging ethernet cable into the
> > switch and
> > wanting it to work, without any IP addr config, even without
> > DHCP client.
> > Just power up the box (or modprobe an eth module) and it
> > works! Cool, eh?
> >
> 
> You want things one way, I like them in another way. Whoever makes this
> decision should just know that we would like to have an option to make it
> load with or without the ASSOC on.

But you already _have_ the option to associate. Just issue
appropriate iwconfig command (or embed one in startup script).

> James already said to use the options ipw2100 disable=1 if you don't want it
> to associate everytime on boot.

Do we have to add such option to each and every wireless driver now?
That would be wrong since iwconfig already exists.

> At the end, who decides this?

User. As I said, with no automatic assoc at module load user still
may easily attain that with iwconfig.

Adding kernel level wireless autoconfiguration duplicates the effort.
Since I am not going to give up a requirement to be able to stay radio
silent at boot (me too wants freedom, not only you), you need to add
disable=1 module parameter to each driver, which adds to the mess.

ALSA does the Right Thing. Sound is completely muted out at module load.
It's a user freedom to set desired volume level after that.
--
vda

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-10  6:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-08 14:23 ipw2100: firmware problem Pavel Machek
2005-06-08 14:44 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 14:56   ` Jirka Bohac
2005-06-08 16:29     ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-21  7:42     ` Simon Kelley
2005-06-21  8:29       ` Feyd
2005-06-21  8:46         ` Simon Kelley
2005-06-08 15:05   ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-08 15:23     ` Jiri Benc
2005-06-09  6:09     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  6:16       ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:25         ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  6:28           ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:37             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  8:36               ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-06-09 10:42         ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-09 19:53           ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09 21:01             ` James Ketrenos
2005-06-09 21:11               ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-09 21:15               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-06-09 22:11               ` David S. Miller
2005-06-10  2:13               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-06-10  2:46                 ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-10  9:00                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-10 13:00                     ` John Stoffel
2005-06-10 13:33                     ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-09 14:31       ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-10  6:56         ` Denis Vlasenko [this message]
2005-06-10 13:23           ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-10 20:26             ` Lee Revell
2005-06-10 21:00               ` Alejandro Bonilla
2005-06-10 21:07                 ` Lee Revell
2005-06-13 16:42               ` Jan Rychter
2005-06-11 12:44             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 17:10   ` James Ketrenos
2005-06-08 19:43     ` David S. Miller
2005-06-08 19:49       ` Dave Jones
2005-06-08 19:54         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:03       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  6:10         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:17           ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  6:20             ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:30               ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-09  6:35                 ` David S. Miller
2005-06-10  3:51                 ` Jim Crilly
2005-06-09  6:06       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-06-09  6:13         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09  6:29           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-06-08 16:58 ` James Ketrenos
2005-06-08 21:27   ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-08 21:46     ` James Ketrenos
2005-06-08 22:34       ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-09  3:33         ` Zhu Yi
2005-06-09 10:56           ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-09 13:56   ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-09 21:12     ` Olivier Galibert
2005-06-09 23:13       ` Jeff Garzik

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