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From: Marc Singer <elf@buici.com>
To: Jeroen Massar <jeroen@unfix.org>
Cc: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>, Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-net@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] ip / ifconfig redesign
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 12:56:13 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051205205613.GB20824@buici.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43947FEB.7020504@unfix.org>

On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 06:59:07PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote:
> Marc Singer wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 09:01:00AM -0500, John W. Linville wrote:
> >> On Sat, Dec 03, 2005 at 10:33:32AM -0800, Ben Greear wrote:
> <SNIP>
> >> The association between IP addresses and links is already a bit murky.
> >> Reference the arp_announce sysctl for what I mean.  I recall Dave M.
> >> emphasizing on at least one occassion that IP addresses belong to
> >> the _box_, not to the link.
> >
> > Precisely the case.  It should be the case that a box response to an
> > arp on *any* interface for *any* IP address known to the box.
> 
> Thus you have the following nice setup:
> 
> 10.100.10.0/24 = 10Gbit streaming network
> 10.100.20.0/24 = 10mbit admin network
> 
> 10.100.10.1 on eth0
> 10.100.20.1 on eth2
> 
> Then some idiot misconfigures his client box, putting 10.100.10.42/24 on
> the NIC that is supposed to be in the admin network only.
> Suddenly your 10mbit link is full because the arp's get answered on this
> link.

Huh?  The arp requests don't establish routing and they aren't a
significant source of traffic.  Besides, all I suggested is that if a
machine receives an arp request on eth2 for an address it has on
10.100.10/24, it should answer with it's MAC address on eth2.  

My readings of the RFC do not address this issue directly.  My
understand of this behaviour is from a discussion with someone
regarding iptables.

Moreover, if you allow users to willy-nilly connect to your networks,
you've got a completely different kind of problem on your hands.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-05 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-02 19:53 [RFC] ip / ifconfig redesign Al Boldi
2005-12-02 19:59 ` Pekka Savola
2005-12-02 20:08 ` Ben Greear
2005-12-02 20:38 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-12-02 22:49   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-10 18:51   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-12-02 22:40 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-03 13:46 ` Al Boldi
2005-12-03 18:33   ` Ben Greear
2005-12-03 20:25     ` Al Boldi
2005-12-05 14:01     ` John W. Linville
2005-12-05 14:20       ` Jeroen Massar
2005-12-05 17:40       ` Marc Singer
2005-12-05 17:59         ` Jeroen Massar
2005-12-05 20:56           ` Marc Singer [this message]
2005-12-05 22:19           ` John Heffner
2005-12-05 22:28             ` Rick Jones
2005-12-05 22:30               ` John Heffner
2005-12-05 22:43                 ` Rick Jones
2005-12-05 23:03                   ` John Heffner
2005-12-06  5:13                     ` Marc Singer
2005-12-05 22:48             ` Jeroen Massar
2005-12-05 22:56               ` John Heffner
2005-12-05 23:10                 ` Jeroen Massar
2005-12-06  5:18               ` Marc Singer
2005-12-05 18:00         ` Ben Greear
2005-12-05 20:10           ` John W. Linville
2005-12-05 21:03           ` Marc Singer
2005-12-05 20:48       ` Al Boldi
2005-12-14 14:19 ` Al Boldi

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