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From: Stuffed Crust <pizza@shaftnet.org>
To: Sam Leffler <sam@errno.com>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: wireless: recap of current issues (configuration)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:28:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060116172817.GB8596@shaftnet.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43CAA853.8020409@errno.com>

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On Sun, Jan 15, 2006 at 11:53:55AM -0800, Sam Leffler wrote:
> The above is a great synopsis but there is more.  For example to support 
> roaming (and sometimes for ap operation) you want to do background 
> scanning; this ties in to power save mode if operating as a station. 

Opportunistic roaming is one of those things that has many knobs to 
twiddle, and depends a lot on the needs of the users. 

But we're not actually in powersave mode -- the 802.11 stack can spit
out the NULL frames to tell the AP to buffer traffic for us. This is 
trivial to do.

Scans should be specified as "non-distruptive" so the hardware driver
has to twiddle whatever bits are necessary to return the hardware to the
same state that it was in before the scan kicked in.  Beyond that, the
scanning smarts are all in the 802.11 stack.  The driver should be as
dumb as possible.  :)

Background scanning, yes -- but there are all sorts of different
thresholds and types of 'scanning' to be done, depending on how
disruptive you are willing to be, and how capable the hardware is.  Most
thin MACs don't filter out foreign BSSIDs on the same channel when
you're joined, which makes some things a lot easier.

> Further you want to order your channel list to hit the most likely 
> channels first in case you are scanning for a specific ap--e.g. so you 
> can stop the foreground scan and start to associate.  

With my scenarios, the driver performs the sweep in the order it was 
given -- if the hardware supports it, naturally.

> In terms of beacon miss processing some parts have a hardware beacon
> miss interrupt based on missed consecutive beacons but others require
> you to detect beacon miss in software.  Other times you need s/w bmiss
> detection because you're doing something like build a repeater when
> the station virtual device can't depend on the hardware to deliver a
> bmiss interrupt.

Of course.  The stack is going to need a set of timers regardless of the 
hardware's capabilities, but having (sane) hardware beacon miss 
detection capabilities makes it a bit more robust.
 
> Scanning (and roaming) is really a big can 'o worms.

Oh, I know.  I've burned out many brain cells trying to build 
supportable solutions for our customers.   

 - Solomon
-- 
Solomon Peachy        				 ICQ: 1318344
Melbourne, FL 					 
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-16 17:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20060113195723.GB16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 21:26 ` wireless: recap of current issues (intro) John W. Linville
     [not found]   ` <20060113213011.GE16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:19     ` wireless: recap of current issues (configuration) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:32       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14  1:17         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-14  9:28           ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 13:47             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-14 22:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-15 15:20             ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-15 19:05               ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 17:09                 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 18:51                   ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 19:06                     ` John W. Linville
2006-01-16 20:16                       ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 21:06                         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 22:24                       ` Alan Cox
2006-01-16 23:02                         ` John W. Linville
2006-01-17 18:41                         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-17 18:54                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-15 19:53               ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 17:28                 ` Stuffed Crust [this message]
2006-01-16 17:54                   ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 19:40                     ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 20:14                       ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 20:58                         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 18:39                   ` Dan Williams
2006-01-16 19:07                   ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-16 19:50                     ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 20:10                       ` Samuel Ortiz
2006-01-15 12:40         ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-15 15:51           ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-15 17:53             ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-15 20:08               ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-15 20:11                 ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-17 22:20                   ` Stefan Rompf
2006-01-15 19:39           ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16  0:06             ` Mike Kershaw
2006-01-16 14:23         ` Jiri Benc
2006-01-16 14:55           ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-16 17:33             ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-16 18:00               ` Sam Leffler
2006-01-16 20:16                 ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-14  0:05       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-14 23:41       ` Dan Williams
2006-01-15 16:18         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-15  9:35       ` feyd
     [not found]   ` <20060113213126.GF16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:20     ` wireless: recap of current issues (compatibility) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:33       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 13:44         ` Krzysztof Halasa
     [not found]   ` <20060113213237.GH16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:24     ` wireless: recap of current issues (other issues) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:35       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-13 23:02         ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 22:09       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-15  0:54         ` John W. Linville
2006-01-15  1:51         ` David S. Miller
2006-01-15 11:23           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2006-01-15 15:39         ` Stuffed Crust
2006-01-17 23:36           ` wireless: recap of current issues (other issues / fake ethernet) Stefan Rompf
2006-01-18 16:32             ` Stuffed Crust
     [not found]   ` <20060113213311.GI16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:25     ` wireless: recap of current issues (actions) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:36       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-14 22:11       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-01-15  0:56         ` John W. Linville
2006-01-16 14:44           ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]   ` <20060113213200.GG16166@tuxdriver.com>
2006-01-13 22:22     ` wireless: recap of current issues (stack) John W. Linville
2006-01-13 22:34       ` Johannes Berg
2006-01-13 23:03     ` Chase Venters
2006-01-14 10:46       ` Simon Kelley
2006-01-14 23:29         ` Dan Williams
2006-01-14 13:51       ` Michael Buesch
2006-01-17 17:38         ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-01-14 14:13     ` Ulrich Kunitz
2006-01-15  4:42       ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-15 10:04         ` Ulrich Kunitz
     [not found] ` <43C80F9A.8020203@candelatech.com>
2006-01-13 22:49   ` wireless: recap of current issues Ben Greear

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