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From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
To: Daniel Drake <dsd@gentoo.org>
Cc: John Heffner <jheffner@psc.edu>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.17 regression: Very slow net transfer from some hosts
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 16:59:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060411165913.5b6bfa0b@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <443C4471.7040407@gentoo.org>

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:06:09 +0100
Daniel Drake <dsd@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> >> This is very familiar, and I just found the article I was thinking of: 
> >> http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/
> >>
> >> I was also hit by that bug, on the same collection of websites, but that 
> >> particular problem was fixed for 2.6.8 or so. So I guess it is extremely 
> >> likely that my ISP has broken routers. nmap isn't able to identify the 
> >> OS of any ISP routers in my path.
> > 
> > We never fixed it, its kind of hard to fix other peoples equipment ;-)
> 
> Weird, things started working for me around 2.6.9 without having to 
> modify any sysctl stuff.

What we did was default the window scaling needed to match the max
possible memory usage.  The normal value for tcp_wmem correlated to 
a window scale of 2.  If a corrupting middlebox lost the window
scale option, then connection would proceed but all windows would
be 1/4 of possible; and connection would still limp along at
somewhat reduced bandwidth.

John's changes cause tcp_wmem to be bigger, so we ask for a bigger
window scale. If the "window scale lost in translation" problem gets
too bad, the sender will never send anything because it thinks
the receiver is doing silly-window-syndrome.


> 
> > Turn off TCP window scaling, your performance will be limited but about
> > as good as you can get with a corrupting firewall in between.
> 
> I was wrong in my previous mail where I said that the rmem/wmem output 
> hasn't changed over the two kernels - it has, the 3rd column differs. I 
> simply set those values back to what they were on 2.6.16 and now things 
> work again - I presumably have window scale 2 (scale factor 4) again, 
> which appears to be a decent compromise between having a window and 
> things actually working.
> 
> For anyone else interested, the ISP is NTL (UK). The fix:
> 
> 	echo "4096    16384   131072 " > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_wmem
> 	echo "4096    87380   174760 " > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rmem
> 
> 
> This issue is visible on my 1GB system but not on my laptop (256mb RAM). 
> The key thing is that more memory means a higher window scale factor is 
> used, which appears to trigger ntl's brokenness.
> 
> Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-11 23:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-11 19:30 2.6.17 regression: Very slow net transfer from some hosts Daniel Drake
2006-04-11 19:21 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-04-11 19:23 ` John Heffner
2006-04-11 20:03   ` Daniel Drake
2006-04-11 19:55     ` John Heffner
2006-04-11 20:53       ` Daniel Drake
2006-04-11 20:54         ` John Heffner
2006-04-11 22:20           ` Daniel Drake
2006-04-11 22:33             ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-04-12  0:06               ` Daniel Drake
2006-04-11 23:59                 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2006-04-12  0:32                 ` John Heffner
2006-04-12  0:42                 ` John Heffner

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