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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: bidulock@openss7.org
Cc: draghuram@rocketmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Question about tcp hash function tcp_hashfn()
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 02:02:39 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060531.020239.00305778.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060531024954.A2458@openss7.org>

From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" <bidulock@openss7.org>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 02:49:54 -0600

> This would be faster than a Jenkins hash approach because it
> would not be necessary to calculate the hash function at all for
> in-window segments.  Per packet overheads would decrease and
> better small packet performance would be experienced (i.e. your
> http server).  It has better hash coverage because MD4 and other
> cryptographic algorithms used for initial sequence number
> selection have far better properties than Jenkins.
> 
> What do you think?

I don't know how practical this is.  The 4GB sequence space
wraps very fast on 10 gigabit, so we'd be rehashing a bit
and 100 gigabit would make things worse whenever that shows
up.

It is, however, definitely an interesting idea.

We also need the pure traditional hashes for net channels.  I don't
see how we could use your scheme for net channels, because we are just
hashing in the interrupt handler of the network device driver in order
to get a queue to tack the packet onto, we're not interpreting the
sequence numbers and thus would not able to maintain the sequence
space based hashing state.

On a 3ghz cpu, the jenkins hash is essentially free.  Even on slower
cpus, jhash_2words for example is just 20 cycles on a sparc64 chip.
It's ~40 integer instructions and they all pair up perfectly to
dual issue.  We'd probably use jhash_3words() for TCP ipv4 which
would get us into the 30 cycle range.

A few years ago when I introduced jenkins into the tree, I thought
it's execution cost might be an issue.  I really don't anymore.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-31  9:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20060531042908.10463.qmail@web51410.mail.yahoo.com>
     [not found] ` <20060530235525.A30563@openss7.org>
2006-05-31  7:10   ` Question about tcp hash function tcp_hashfn() David Miller
2006-05-31  7:45     ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-31  7:49       ` David Miller
2006-05-31  8:00         ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-31  9:03           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-05-31  9:12             ` David Miller
2006-05-31  9:44               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-05-31  9:51             ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-31 10:58               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-05-31 11:04                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-05-31 13:06                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-05-31 18:29                     ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-06-01  6:12                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-01  6:18                         ` David Miller
2006-06-01  6:22                           ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-06-01  6:24                             ` David Miller
2006-05-31 18:41                 ` David Miller
2006-06-01  6:04                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-01  6:18                     ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-06-01  6:30                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-01  6:46                         ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-06-01  7:01                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-01  7:11                             ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-06-01  8:38                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-01 10:24                                 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-06-01 11:06                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-01 18:40                                     ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-06-01 20:21                                       ` David Miller
2006-06-02  7:01                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-02  5:40                     ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-02  7:48                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-02 15:10                         ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-06-02 17:26                         ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-02 17:37                           ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-31  9:52             ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-31  8:49         ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-31  9:02           ` David Miller [this message]
2006-05-31  9:39             ` Brian F. G. Bidulock

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