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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation.
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:13:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060726101356.GA8443@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060726100848.GA2715@2ka.mipt.ru>

On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 02:08:49PM +0400, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 11:00:13AM +0100, Christoph Hellwig (hch@infradead.org) wrote:
> > >  struct address_space_operations ext2_aops = {
> > > +	.get_block		= ext2_get_block,
> > 
> > No way in hell.  For whatever you do please provide a interface at
> > the readpage/writepage/sendfile/etc abstraction layer.  get_block is
> > nothing that can be exposed to the common code.
> 
> Compare this with sync read methods - all they do is exactly the same
> operations with low-level blocks, which are combined into nice exported
> function, so there is _no_ readpage layer - it calls only one function
> which works with blocks.

No.  The abtraction layer there is ->readpage(s).  _A_ common implementation
works with a get_block callback from the filesystem, but there are various
others.  We've been there before, up to mid-2.3.x we had a get_block inode
operation and we got rid of it because it is the wrong abstraction.

> So it is not a technical problem, but political one.

It's a technical problem, and it's called get you abstractions right.  And
ontop of that a political one and that's called get your abstraction coherent.
If you managed to argue all of us into accept that get_block is the right
abstraction (and as I mentioned above that's technically not true) you'd
still have the burden to update everything to use the same abstraction.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-26 10:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <44C66FC9.3050402@redhat.com>
2006-07-25 22:01 ` async network I/O, event channels, etc David Miller
2006-07-25 22:55   ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-26  6:28   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26  9:18     ` [0/4] kevent: generic event processing subsystem Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26  9:18       ` [1/4] kevent: core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26  9:18         ` [2/4] kevent: network AIO, socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26  9:18           ` [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26  9:18             ` [4/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:00             ` [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-26 10:08               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:13                 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2006-07-26 10:25                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:04             ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-26 10:12               ` David Miller
2006-07-26 10:15                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-26 20:21                   ` Phillip Susi
2006-07-26 14:14                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-26 10:19               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:30                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-26 14:28                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-26 16:22                     ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-07-27  6:49                       ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-27 15:28                         ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-07-27 18:14                           ` Zach Brown
2006-07-27 18:29                             ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-07-27 18:44                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 21:02                                 ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-07-28  7:31                                   ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-28 12:58                                   ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-08-11 19:45                                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-12 18:29                                       ` Kernel patches enabling better POSIX AIO (Was Re: [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile) Suparna Bhattacharya
2006-08-12 19:10                                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-12 19:28                                           ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-09-04 14:37                                             ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-08-14  7:02                                           ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2006-08-14 16:38                                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-15  2:06                                               ` Nicholas Miell
2006-09-04 14:36                                           ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-09-04 14:28                                         ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-28  7:29                                 ` [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-31 10:11                                 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2006-07-28  7:26                           ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-26 10:31         ` [1/4] kevent: core files Andrew Morton
2006-07-26 10:37           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:44         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-27  6:10     ` async network I/O, event channels, etc David Miller
2006-07-27  7:49       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-27  8:02         ` David Miller
2006-07-27  8:09           ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-27  8:11             ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-27  8:20               ` David Miller
2006-07-27  8:29                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-27  8:37                   ` David Miller
2006-07-27  8:39                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-27  8:58           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-27  9:31             ` David Miller
2006-07-27  9:37               ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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