From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation.
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:30:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060726103001.GA10139@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060726101919.GB2715@2ka.mipt.ru>
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 02:19:21PM +0400, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> I stopped to work on AIO, since neither existing, nor mine
> implementation were able to outperform sync speeds (one of the major problems
> in my implementation is get_user_pages() overhead, which can be
> completely eliminated with physical memory allocation being done in
> advance in userspace, like Ulrich described).
> My personal opinion on existing AIO is that it is not the right design.
> Benjamin LaHaise agree with me (if I understood him right),
I completely agree with that aswell.
> but he
> failed to move AIO outside repeated-call model (2.4 had state machine
> based one, and out-of-the tree 2.6 patches have that design too).
> In theory existing AIO (with all posix userspace API) can be replaced
> with kevent (it will even take less space), but I would present it as a
> TODO item, since kevent itself has nothing to do with AIO.
And replacing the existing aio code is exactly we I want you to do. We
can't keep adding more and more code without getting rid of old mess forever.
And yes, the asynchronous pagecache population bit in your patchkit has a lot
to do with aio. It's same variant of aio done right (or at least less bad).
I suspect the right way to go ahead is to drop that bit for now (it's the
by far worst code in the patchkit anyway) and then we can redo it later to
not get abstractions wrong and duplicate lots of code but also replace the
aio code. I don't expect you to do that alone, you'll probably need quite
a bit help from us FS and VM people.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-26 10:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2006-07-25 22:01 ` async network I/O, event channels, etc David Miller
2006-07-25 22:55 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-26 6:28 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 9:18 ` [0/4] kevent: generic event processing subsystem Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 9:18 ` [1/4] kevent: core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 9:18 ` [2/4] kevent: network AIO, socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 9:18 ` [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 9:18 ` [4/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications. Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:00 ` [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-26 10:08 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-26 10:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-26 10:12 ` David Miller
2006-07-26 10:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-26 20:21 ` Phillip Susi
2006-07-26 14:14 ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-26 10:19 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:30 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2006-07-26 14:28 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-26 16:22 ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-07-27 6:49 ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-27 15:28 ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-07-27 18:14 ` Zach Brown
2006-07-27 18:29 ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-07-27 18:44 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 21:02 ` Badari Pulavarty
2006-07-28 7:31 ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-28 12:58 ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-08-11 19:45 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-12 18:29 ` Kernel patches enabling better POSIX AIO (Was Re: [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile) Suparna Bhattacharya
2006-08-12 19:10 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-12 19:28 ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-09-04 14:37 ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-08-14 7:02 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2006-08-14 16:38 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-15 2:06 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-09-04 14:36 ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-09-04 14:28 ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-28 7:29 ` [3/4] kevent: AIO, aio_sendfile() implementation Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-31 10:11 ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2006-07-28 7:26 ` Sébastien Dugué
2006-07-26 10:31 ` [1/4] kevent: core files Andrew Morton
2006-07-26 10:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-26 10:44 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-27 6:10 ` async network I/O, event channels, etc David Miller
2006-07-27 7:49 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-27 8:02 ` David Miller
2006-07-27 8:09 ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-27 8:11 ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-27 8:20 ` David Miller
2006-07-27 8:29 ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-27 8:37 ` David Miller
2006-07-27 8:39 ` Jens Axboe
2006-07-27 8:58 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-07-27 9:31 ` David Miller
2006-07-27 9:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
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