From: Hugo Santos <hsantos@av.it.pt>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, kazunori@miyazawa.org,
yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
usagi-core@linux-ipv6.org
Subject: Re: Regarding offloading IPv6 addrconf and ndisc
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 04:13:22 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060728031322.GE29313@innerghost.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060727.192743.39159331.davem@davemloft.net>
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Hi,
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 07:27:43PM -0700, David Miller wrote:
>
> Just like a TCP connection, packets cause state transitions.
> And it is reasonable to expect that after a state transition,
> the effects can be visible by subsequent packets.
Certainly, control packets cause state transitions. TCP is a mixed
bag. I think the question here is whether we can afford a stack where
the data path is fully synchronous with the control path -- considering
the amount of "time" required by a state transition (and other burdens
you've identified). It might not pose a problem using the current
signalling, but as an example, if we consider SEcure Neighbor Discovery
(SEND, RFC 3971), validating a secure prefix to derive an address from,
involves checking certificate signatures (besides the
certificate-obtaining procedure); a process which may take some time.
I believe it is reasonable to be synchronous within certain limits,
specifically when the impact is local; for instance queueing outgoing
packets during neighbor resolution (which is something some network
stacks don't do actually). However when we consider something as global
to the stack as configuring an address, being synchronous is expensive.
I understand that any kind of impact should be well thought of, and
adding new interfaces and behaviour to the kernel just adds to complex-
ity and maintenance hell. But in this case, i think that adding a bit
of additional complexity to the kernel would save us from a bunch of
extra complexity in the long run associated with supporting these new
protocols; besides helping the development.
Hugo
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-28 3:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-27 11:25 Regarding offloading IPv6 addrconf and ndisc Hugo Santos
2006-07-27 12:25 ` Kazunori Miyazawa
2006-07-27 17:56 ` Hugo Santos
2006-07-27 23:56 ` Herbert Xu
2006-07-28 1:34 ` David Miller
2006-07-28 1:45 ` Hugo Santos
2006-07-28 2:27 ` David Miller
2006-07-28 3:13 ` Hugo Santos [this message]
2006-07-28 3:20 ` David Miller
2006-07-28 3:31 ` Hugo Santos
2006-07-28 4:07 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-07-28 8:34 ` Hugo Santos
2006-07-28 12:45 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-07-29 13:34 ` Hugo Santos
2006-07-30 3:28 ` Kazunori Miyazawa
2006-07-30 11:30 ` Hugo Santos
2006-07-31 21:23 ` David Miller
2006-08-01 11:50 ` Hugo Santos
2006-08-01 21:54 ` David Miller
2006-08-01 0:16 ` Kazunori Miyazawa
2006-07-28 2:22 ` Herbert Xu
2006-07-28 2:33 ` David Miller
2006-08-01 0:31 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-01 0:46 ` David Miller
2006-08-01 0:49 ` Roland Dreier
2006-08-01 1:24 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-08-01 1:30 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-01 1:47 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-08-01 12:13 ` Hugo Santos
2006-08-01 12:00 ` Hugo Santos
2006-08-01 21:57 ` David Miller
2006-08-03 13:28 ` Ingo Oeser
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