From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: shemminger@osdl.org
Cc: mchan@broadcom.com, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, hadi@cyberus.ca,
jesse.brandeburg@intel.com, auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com,
netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [e1000]: Remove unnecessary tx_lock
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:31:11 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060804.163111.85390037.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060804110829.62136ebb@dxpl.pdx.osdl.net>
From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 11:08:29 -0700
> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 10:28:52 -0700
> "Michael Chan" <mchan@broadcom.com> wrote:
>
> > May be David can explain why it is undesirable to wake up the queue when
> > it is full?
Why does Michael ask all the difficult questions? :-)
> Because it means that there was a race hole in the normal sleep/wakeup code.
> Some drivers just spin (see acenic.c) but that's ugly.
>
> The real risk is that the transmit routine will decide it's busy, but
> at the same time an IRQ on another CPU will clean up the whole ring
> and make the queue available again. Then the transmit routine exits and
> says its busy, and the higher level will decide it is permanently stopped.
Yes, it's meant to catch unintented races.
The queueing layer that calls ->hard_start_xmit() technically has no
need to support NETDEV_TX_BUSY as a return value, since the device
is able to prevent this.
If we could avoid NETDEV_TX_BUSY et al. from happening, the idea is
that we could eliminate all of the requeueing logic in the packet
scheduler layer. It is a pipe dream from many years ago.
But this may never be realized because now we have things like LLTX
which can return NETDEV_TX_LOCKED which also requires a requeue.
Also, several specialized devices can return NETDEV_TX_BUSY in ways
which are hard to prevent. I'll reproduce Alexey's comments from
qdisc_restart():
/* Device kicked us out :(
This is possible in three cases:
0. driver is locked
1. fastroute is enabled
2. device cannot determine busy state
before start of transmission (f.e. dialout)
3. device is buggy (ppp)
*/
Hmmm, another remnant reference to fastroute which we should delete :-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-08-04 23:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-03 13:15 [PATCH] [e1000]: Remove unnecessary tx_lock jamal
2006-08-03 14:02 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-03 14:24 ` jamal
2006-08-03 16:36 ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2006-08-03 18:05 ` Michael Chan
2006-08-03 22:08 ` jamal
2006-08-04 0:09 ` Michael Chan
2006-08-04 1:10 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04 8:37 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04 10:10 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04 10:16 ` jamal
2006-08-04 10:25 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04 10:45 ` jamal
2006-08-05 23:04 ` jamal
2006-08-05 23:06 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-05 23:21 ` jamal
2006-08-05 23:30 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-05 16:45 ` jamal
2006-08-04 17:12 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-04 17:28 ` Michael Chan
2006-08-04 18:08 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-04 23:31 ` David Miller [this message]
2006-08-05 16:56 ` jamal
2006-08-05 23:05 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-05 23:17 ` jamal
2006-08-05 23:19 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-05 23:36 ` jamal
2006-08-06 2:51 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06 7:14 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06 7:24 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06 7:30 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06 7:26 ` David Miller
2006-08-06 7:36 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06 8:06 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06 8:27 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06 9:03 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06 9:10 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06 9:18 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06 8:35 ` David Miller
2006-08-06 12:24 ` jamal
2006-08-06 12:33 ` jamal
2006-08-06 23:16 ` Jesse Brandeburg
2006-08-07 12:50 ` jamal
2006-08-07 15:21 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 15:40 ` jamal
2006-08-07 15:59 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 16:31 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-08-07 17:04 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 18:00 ` jamal
2006-08-07 18:47 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 19:03 ` jamal
2006-08-07 19:14 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 19:34 ` jamal
2006-08-07 20:28 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-08 0:52 ` jamal
2006-08-07 20:53 ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2006-08-08 1:07 ` jamal
2006-08-07 23:23 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-07 23:35 ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2006-08-07 23:40 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-07 16:29 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 16:36 ` jamal
2006-08-06 19:22 ` jamal
2006-08-08 1:19 ` jamal
2006-08-08 1:22 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-08 1:33 ` jamal
2006-08-08 2:17 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-08 3:10 ` jamal
2006-08-08 12:21 ` jamal
2006-08-08 12:39 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06 17:20 ` Michael Chan
2006-08-06 23:04 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-07 3:56 ` Michael Chan
2006-08-07 4:21 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-08 17:04 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-08 22:06 ` David Miller
2006-08-08 23:21 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-09 0:25 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-09 1:25 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-04 1:16 ` jamal
2006-08-04 1:18 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04 1:25 ` jamal
2006-08-04 4:06 ` Michael Chan
2006-08-03 22:06 ` jamal
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2006-08-08 5:43 Brandeburg, Jesse
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