From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: alex@sectorb.msk.ru, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: high latency with TCP connections
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:04:27 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060830150427.716a347c@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060830.143955.55510936.davem@davemloft.net>
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:39:55 -0700 (PDT)
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:27:27 -0700
>
> > Linux TCP implements "Appropriate Byte Count" (ABC) and this penalizes
> > applications that do small sends. The problem is that the other side
> > may be delaying acknowledgments. If receiver doesn't acknowledge the
> > sender will limit itself to the congestion window. If the flow is light,
> > then you will be limited to 4 packets.
>
> Right.
>
> However it occured to me the other day that ABC could be made smarter.
> If we sent small frames, ABC should account for that.
>
> The problem with ABC is that it prevents CWND growth not just during
> ACK division, but also when we truly are sending smaller sized frames.
>
> In fact, for "chatty" protocols, the real load on a router for the
> small packets is much less than that for full sized frames. So it is
> in fact these small frame sending cases for which we can be less
> conservative, whatever that means here.
>
> So my suggestion is that ABC should go look in the retransmit queue
> and see how many "real packets" are being fully ACK'd, rather than
> assuming the send queue is composed of MSS sized frames.
>
> I also think we should seriously consider changing the ABC default to
> "2" rather than "1".
That would be a good simple first step. I can't hurt and seems
reasonable.
--
Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-08-30 22:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-30 10:07 high latency with TCP connections Alexander Vodomerov
2006-08-30 17:27 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-30 21:39 ` David Miller
2006-08-30 22:04 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2006-08-30 23:00 ` Rick Jones
2006-08-31 8:14 ` Alexander Vodomerov
2006-08-31 15:44 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2006-08-31 18:22 ` Kelly Burkhart
2006-08-31 19:40 ` Rick Jones
2006-08-31 21:08 ` Ian McDonald
2006-08-31 21:46 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-31 22:14 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-31 22:44 ` David Miller
2006-08-31 23:29 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-31 23:57 ` David Miller
2006-09-01 3:23 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-09-01 3:39 ` Ian McDonald
2006-09-01 6:23 ` David Miller
2006-09-01 9:44 ` Pekka Savola
2006-09-01 9:49 ` David Miller
2006-09-01 9:47 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-01 11:00 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
[not found] ` <20060901090046.69b3d583@localhost.localdomain>
2006-09-01 20:55 ` [PATCH] tcp: turn ABC off Stephen Hemminger
2006-09-02 7:22 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-09-02 8:10 ` Herbert Xu
2006-09-04 9:10 ` high latency with TCP connections Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-04 16:00 ` [PATCH][RFC] " Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-05 17:55 ` Rick Jones
2006-09-05 22:13 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18 7:39 ` David Miller
2006-09-18 17:11 ` Rick Jones
2006-09-18 20:41 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18 21:24 ` Rick Jones
2006-09-18 22:51 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-19 0:37 ` Rick Jones
2006-09-22 13:46 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-22 17:15 ` Rick Jones
2006-09-18 7:31 ` David Miller
2006-09-18 10:37 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18 13:56 ` David Miller
2006-09-20 22:44 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-09-20 22:47 ` David Miller
2006-09-20 22:55 ` Stephen Hemminger
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