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From: Ingo Oeser <netdev@axxeo.de>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Zach Brown <zach.brown@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Chase Venters <chase.venters@clientec.com>,
	Johann Borck <johann.borck@densedata.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Viro <aviro@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [take24 0/6] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism.
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:09:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200611211009.17417.netdev@axxeo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <456223AC.5080400@redhat.com>

Hi,

Ulrich Drepper schrieb:
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
> > I think we have lived with relative timeouts for so long, it would be 
> > unusual to change now.  select(2), poll(2), epoll_wait(2) all take 
> > relative timeouts.
> 
> I'm not talking about always using absolute timeouts.
> 
> I'm saying the timeout parameter should be a struct timespec* and then 
> the flags word could have a flag meaning "this is an absolute timeout". 
>   I.e., enable both uses,, even make relative timeouts the default. 
> This is what the modern POSIX interfaces do, too, see clock_nanosleep.

I agree here. And while you are at it: Have it say "not before" vs. "not after".

<rant>
And if you call "absolute timeout" an "alarm" or "deadline" everyone will agree, 
that this is useful.

Timeout means "I ran OUT of TIME to do it" and this is by definition relative
to a starting point. A "deadline" is an absolute point in (wall) time where sth.
has to be ready and an "alarm" is an absolute point in (wall) time where sth.
is triggered (e.g. a bell rings on your "ALARM clock").

I don't know which person established that non-sense nomenclature about relative
and absolute timouts.
</rant>

Regards

Ingo Oeser

  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-21  9:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1154985aa0591036@2ka.mipt.ru>
2006-10-27 16:10 ` [take21 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10   ` [take21 1/4] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10     ` [take21 2/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10       ` [take21 3/4] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:10         ` [take21 4/4] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 10:04       ` [take21 2/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 10:08         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 10:28     ` [take21 1/4] kevent: Core files Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 10:53       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 12:36         ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 13:03           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 13:23             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 13:28               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-28 13:34                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-10-28 13:47                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-10-27 16:42   ` [take21 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 11:26   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 11:46     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 11:58       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 11:51     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 12:17       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 12:29         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 12:32       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-07 19:34         ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-07 20:52           ` David Miller
2006-11-07 21:38             ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-01 11:36 ` [take22 " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36   ` [take22 1/4] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36     ` [take22 2/4] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36       ` [take22 3/4] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 11:36         ` [take22 4/4] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 13:06   ` [take22 0/4] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Pavel Machek
2006-11-01 13:25     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 16:05       ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-01 16:24         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 18:13           ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-01 18:57             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-02  2:12               ` Nate Diller
2006-11-02  6:21                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-02 19:40                   ` Nate Diller
2006-11-03  8:42                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-03  8:57                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-03  9:04                         ` David Miller
2006-11-07 12:05                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-03  9:13                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-05 11:19                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-05 11:43                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                 ` <aaf959cb0611011829k36deda6ahe61bcb9bf8e612e1@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <aaf959cb0611011830j1ca3e469tc4a6af3a2a010fa@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <4549A261.9010007@cosmosbay.com>
2006-11-03  2:42                       ` zhou drangon
2006-11-03  9:16                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 12:02                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-03 18:49               ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-04 10:24                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-04 17:47                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-01 16:07     ` James Morris
2006-11-07 16:50 ` [take23 0/5] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50   ` [take23 1/5] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50     ` [take23 2/5] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50       ` [take23 3/5] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50         ` [take23 4/5] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 16:50           ` [take23 5/5] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:53         ` [take23 3/5] kevent: poll/select() notifications Davide Libenzi
2006-11-08  8:45           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-08 17:03             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:16       ` [take23 2/5] kevent: Core files Andrew Morton
2006-11-08  8:24         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:16     ` [take23 1/5] kevent: Description Andrew Morton
2006-11-08  8:23       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-07 22:17   ` [take23 0/5] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Andrew Morton
2006-11-08  8:21     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-08 14:51       ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-08 22:03         ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-08 22:44           ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-08 23:07             ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-08 23:56               ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09  7:24                 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-09  7:52                   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-09 17:12                     ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09  8:23 ` [take24 0/6] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23   ` [take24 1/6] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23     ` [take24 2/6] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23       ` [take24 3/6] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23         ` [take24 4/6] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23           ` [take24 5/6] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  8:23             ` [take24 6/6] kevent: Pipe notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09  9:08         ` [take24 3/6] kevent: poll/select() notifications Eric Dumazet
2006-11-09  9:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09 18:51         ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09 19:10           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-09 19:42             ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-09 20:10               ` Davide Libenzi
2006-11-11 17:36   ` [take24 7/6] kevent: signal notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-11 22:28   ` [take24 0/6] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-13 10:54     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-13 11:16       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20  0:02       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-20  8:25         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20  8:43           ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-20  8:51             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20  9:15               ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-20  9:19                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-20 20:29           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-20 21:46             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-20 21:52               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-21  9:09                 ` Ingo Oeser [this message]
2006-11-22 11:38                 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-11-22 11:47                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 12:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-21  9:53             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:58               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-21 17:43                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 18:46                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 20:01                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-22 10:41                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 20:19                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-22 10:39                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22  7:38                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-22 10:44                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 21:02                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 12:23                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23  8:52                         ` Kevent POSIX timers support Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 20:26                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24  9:50                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 18:20                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-27 18:24                                 ` David Miller
2006-11-27 18:36                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-27 18:49                                     ` David Miller
2006-11-28  9:16                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-28 19:13                                         ` David Miller
2006-11-28 19:22                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-12-12  1:36                                             ` David Miller
2006-12-12  5:31                                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-28  9:16                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22  7:33                   ` [take24 0/6] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-22 10:38                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 22:22                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 12:18                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 22:23                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 10:57                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:12                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-28 11:00                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 12:09                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 12:15                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 13:46                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 22:24                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 12:22                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 20:34                             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 10:58                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 18:23                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-28 10:13                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-12-27 20:45                                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-12-28  9:50                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29 ` [take25 " Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29   ` [take25 1/6] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29     ` [take25 2/6] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29       ` [take25 3/6] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29         ` [take25 4/6] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29           ` [take25 5/6] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-21 16:29             ` [take25 6/6] kevent: Pipe notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 11:20               ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-22 11:30                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-22 23:46     ` [take25 1/6] kevent: Description Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 11:52       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 19:45         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 11:01           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:06             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 16:14               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:31                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:20                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-22 23:52     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 11:55       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-23 20:00         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 21:49           ` Hans Henrik Happe
2006-11-23 22:34             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 11:50               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:17                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 11:46           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 16:30             ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24 16:49               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:23                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 22:33     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-23 22:48       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-11-23 23:45         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24  0:48           ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-24  8:14             ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-24  8:33               ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-24 15:26                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-24  0:14         ` Hans Henrik Happe
2006-11-24 12:05       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-24 12:13         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-27 19:43         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-11-28 10:26           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14 ` [take26 0/8] kevent: Generic event handling mechanism Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14   ` [take26 1/8] kevent: Description Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14     ` [take26 2/8] kevent: Core files Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14       ` [take26 3/8] kevent: poll/select() notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14         ` [take26 4/8] kevent: Socket notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14           ` [take26 5/8] kevent: Timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14             ` [take26 6/8] kevent: Pipe notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14               ` [take26 7/8] kevent: Signal notifications Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-11-30 19:14                 ` [take26 8/8] kevent: Kevent posix timer notifications Evgeniy Polyakov

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