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From: Dmitry Mishin <dim@openvz.org>
To: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
Cc: Dmitry Mishin <dim@openvz.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, hadi@cyberus.ca,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Network virtualization/isolation
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:02:48 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200612042002.49094.dim@openvz.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061204164332.GA11687@MAIL.13thfloor.at>

On Monday 04 December 2006 19:43, Herbert Poetzl wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 06:19:00PM +0300, Dmitry Mishin wrote:
> > On Sunday 03 December 2006 19:00, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > > Ok.  Just a quick summary of where I see the discussion.
> > >
> > > We all agree that L2 isolation is needed at some point.
> >
> > As we all agreed on this, may be it is time to send patches
> > one-by-one? For the beggining, I propose to resend Cedric's
> > empty namespace patch as base for others - it is really empty,
> > but necessary in order to move further.
> >
> > After this patch and the following net namespace unshare
> > patch will be accepted,
>
> well, I have neither seen any performance tests showing
> that the following is true:
>
>  - no change on network performance without the
>    space enabled
>  - no change on network performance on the host
>    with the network namespaces enabled
>  - no measureable overhead inside the network
>    namespace
>  - good scaleability for a larger number of network
>    namespaces
These questions are for complete L2 implementation, not for these 2 empty 
patches. If you need some data relating to Andrey's implementation, I'll get 
it. Which test do you accept?
 
>
> > I could send network devices virtualization patches for
> > review and discussion.
>
> that won't hurt ...
>
> best,
> Herbert
>
> > What do you think?
> >
> > > The approaches discussed for L2 and L3 are sufficiently orthogonal
> > > that we can implement then in either order.  You would need to
> > > unshare L3 to unshare L2, but if we think of them as two separate
> > > namespaces we are likely to be in better shape.
> > >
> > > The L3 discussion still has the problem that there has not been
> > > agreement on all of the semantics yet.
> > >
> > > More comments after I get some sleep.
> > >
> > > Eric
> > > -
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> >
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Dmitry.
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-- 
Thanks,
Dmitry.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-04 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-25 15:51 Network virtualization/isolation Daniel Lezcano
2006-10-23 20:01 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-10-26  9:44   ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-10-26 15:56     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-10-26 22:16       ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-10-27  7:34       ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-10-27  9:10         ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-11-01 14:35           ` jamal
2006-11-01 16:13             ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-11-14 15:17             ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-11-14 18:12               ` James Morris
2006-11-15  9:56                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-11-22 12:00               ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-11-25  9:09               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-11-28 14:15                 ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-11-28 16:51                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-11-28 17:37                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-11-28 20:26                     ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-11-28 21:50                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-11-29  5:54                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-11-29 20:21                         ` Brian Haley
2006-11-29 22:10                           ` [Devel] " Daniel Lezcano
2006-11-30 16:15                             ` Vlad Yasevich
2006-11-30 16:38                               ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-11-30 17:24                                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-12-03 12:26                             ` jamal
2006-12-03 14:13                               ` jamal
2006-12-03 16:00                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-04 15:19                                   ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-12-04 15:45                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-04 16:43                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-12-04 16:58                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-04 17:02                                       ` Dmitry Mishin [this message]
2006-12-04 17:19                                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-12-04 17:41                                         ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-12-04 12:15                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-04 13:44                                   ` jamal
2006-12-04 15:35                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-04 16:00                                       ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-12-04 16:52                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-06 11:54                                           ` [Devel] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-12-06 18:30                                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-12-08 19:57                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-09  3:50                                                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-12-09  6:13                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-09  6:35                                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-12-09 21:18                                                       ` Dmitry Mishin
2006-12-09 22:34                                                       ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-12-10  2:21                                                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-12-09  8:07                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-12-09 11:27                                                   ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-12-09 19:04                                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-12-03 16:37                               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-12-03 16:58                                 ` jamal
2006-12-04 10:18                               ` Daniel Lezcano
2006-12-04 13:22                                 ` jamal
2006-12-02 11:29                         ` Kari Hurtta
2006-12-02 11:49                           ` Kari Hurtta
2006-11-29  5:58                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-11-25  8:21             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-11-26 18:34               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-11-26 19:41                 ` Ben Greear
2006-11-26 20:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-11-25  8:27       ` Eric W. Biederman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-11-25 16:35 Leonid Grossman
2006-11-25 19:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-11-25 22:17 Leonid Grossman
2006-11-25 23:16 ` Eric W. Biederman

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