From: Ivo van Doorn <ivdoorn@gmail.com>
To: Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
John Linville <linville@tuxdriver.com>, Jiri Benc <jbenc@suse.cz>,
Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
Larry Finger <Larry.Finger@lwfinger.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC] rfkill - Add support for input key to control wireless radio
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:58:14 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200612072258.14926.IvDoorn@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1165497754.2972.6.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Hi,
> > > > 2 - Hardware key that does not control the hardware radio and does not report anything to userspace
> > >
> > > Kind of uninteresting button ;)
> >
> > And this is the button that rfkill was originally designed for.
> > Laptops with integrated WiFi cards from Ralink have a hardware button that don't send anything to
> > userspace (unless the ACPI event is read) and does not directly control the radio itself.
>
> My take: if there is a button on your keyboard or laptop labeled "Kill
> my radio now", it _NEEDS_ to be somehow communicated to userspace what
> happened when the user just pressed it a second ago. Personally, I
> don't particularly care how that happens, and I don't particularly care
> what the driver does. But if the driver, or the hardware, decides that
> the button press means turning off the transmitter on whatever device
> that button is for, a tool like NetworkManager needs to know this
> somehow. Ideally, this would be a HAL event, and HAL would get it from
> somewhere.
>
> The current situation with NM is unacceptable, and I can't do anything
> about it because there is no standard interface for determining whether
> the wireless card was disabled/enabled via rfkill. I simply refuse to
> code solutions to every vendor's rfkill mechanism (for ipw, reading
> iwpriv or sysfs, for example). I don't care how HAL gets the event, but
> when HAL gets the event, it needs to broadcast it and NM needs to tear
> down the connection and release the device.
>
> That means (a) an event gets sent to userspace in some way that HAL can
> read it, and (b) the event is clearly associated with specific piece[s]
> of hardware on your system. If HAL can't easily figure out what device
> the event is for, then the event is also useless to both HAL and
> NetworkManager and whatever else might use it.
This would be possible with rfkill and the ideas from Dmitry.
The vendors that have a button that directly toggle the radio, should
create an input device themselves and just send the KEY_RFKILL event when toggled.
All other types should use rfkill for the toggling handling, that way HAL only needs to
listen to KEY_RFKILL coming from the input devices that are associated to the keys.
> Again, I don't care how that happens, but I like the fact that there's
> renewed interest in getting this fixed.
Ivo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-12-07 21:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-03 18:36 [RFC] rfkill - Add support for input key to control wireless radio Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-03 19:18 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-03 22:03 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-03 19:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-03 22:05 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-03 22:28 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-05 0:18 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-12-05 21:20 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-03 19:44 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-03 22:16 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-04 8:53 ` Marcel Holtmann
2006-12-04 22:15 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-12-04 23:27 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-06 14:37 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-12-06 15:18 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-06 15:24 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-12-06 19:31 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-06 20:18 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-12-06 21:41 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-06 22:04 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-12-07 21:53 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-12 5:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-12-12 7:47 ` Ivo Van Doorn
2006-12-17 17:43 ` Ivo van Doorn
2007-01-30 16:33 ` Ivo van Doorn
2006-12-07 13:22 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-07 21:58 ` Ivo van Doorn [this message]
2006-12-06 22:05 ` Jiri Benc
2006-12-06 22:10 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-12-05 10:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-05 21:21 ` Ivo van Doorn
2007-01-31 3:40 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-01-31 10:39 ` Ivo van Doorn
2007-01-31 11:20 ` Ivo van Doorn
2007-03-30 5:27 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-30 5:29 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-30 14:59 ` Ivo van Doorn
2007-03-30 15:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-30 17:13 ` Ivo van Doorn
2007-03-30 18:37 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-03-31 12:49 ` Ivo van Doorn
2007-04-02 4:38 ` Dmitry Torokhov
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