From: Gerrit Renker <gerrit@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] tcp: fix ambiguity in the `before' relation
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 08:56:19 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200701030856.19416@strip-the-willow> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1GxYfU-0003EG-00@gondolin.me.apana.org.au>
Hi Herbert,
| >> While looking at DCCP sequence numbers, I stumbled over a problem with
| >> the following definition of before in tcp.h:
| >>
| >> static inline int before(__u32 seq1, __u32 seq2)
| >> {
| >> return (__s32)(seq1-seq2) < 0;
| >> }
| >>
| >> Problem: This definition suffers from an an ambiguity, i.e. always
| >>
| >> before(a, (a + 2^31) % 2^32)) = 1
| >> before((a + 2^31) % 2^32), a) = 1
| >>
| >> In text: when the difference between a and b amounts to 2^31,
| >> a is always considered `before' b, the function can not decide.
| >> The reason is that implicitly 0 is `before' 1 ... 2^31-1 ... 2^31
| >>
| >> Solution: There is a simple fix, by defining before in such a way that
| >> 0 is no longer `before' 2^31, i.e. 0 `before' 1 ... 2^31-1
| >> By not using the middle between 0 and 2^32, before can be made
| >> unambiguous.
| >> This is achieved by testing whether seq2-seq1 > 0 (using signed
| >> 32-bit arithmetic).
|
| Sorry, I still don't get the point of this change.
|
| Prior to the patch, we have values x and y such that both
| before(x, y) and before(y, x) are true. Now for those same
| values both before(x, y) and before(y, x) are false.
|
| It's still as ambiguous as ever. Surely to resolve the
| ambiguity we want to make before(x, y) = !before(y, x), no?
Please let me restate:
Ambiguity here means that for those numbers x,y such that (x + 2^31) % 2^32) = y
before(x, y) = 1 and before(y, x) = 1. With the previous implementation, one could
not tell the difference here: and there are 2^32 such cases where this occurs.
With the implementation now, the output of before(x,y) is reliable: it returns true
if (and only if) x is indeed `before' y.
If before(x,y) is false then there are now two possibilities:
(a) before(y, x) is true and y != (x + 2^31) % 2^32
(b) before(y, x) is false and y == (x + 2^31) % 2^32
This means that the cases can be clearly separated out, which was not possible before.
To summarize the differences:
-----------------------------
1) Possible cases in the old implementation (exclusive-or list):
* x == y - identity
* before(x, y) && !before(y, x) - x is `before' y
* before(y, x) && !before(x, y) - y is `before' x
* before(x, y) && before(y, x) - y == (x + 2^31) % 2^32
2) Possible cases in the new implementation (exclusive-or list):
* x == y - identity
* before(x, y) - x is `before' x
* before(y, x) - y is `before x
* !before(x, y) && !before(y, x) - y == (x + 2^31) % 2^32
As can be seen (2) requires fewer test cases while (1) would need extra checks to disambiguate
before(x, y) from the case "before(x,y) && before(y,x)".
I do believe that this is useful, since now speeds of 10 Gigabits are in use, which means that
sequence numbers wrap around faster; and also with regard to the issue of selecting an initial
sequence number; and protection against sequence number attacks.
A related discussion is in RFC 1982, but with regard to the case y == (x + 2^31) % 2^32 it
recommends to leave this `undefined' -- the new solution is in agreement with this, and is
even less complicated to implement.
Gerrit
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-01-03 8:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-12-14 15:07 [PATCH][RFC] tcp: fix ambiguity in the `before' relation Gerrit Renker
2006-12-20 18:31 ` David Miller
2006-12-21 14:42 ` Gerrit Renker
2006-12-22 0:53 ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-03 8:56 ` Gerrit Renker [this message]
2007-01-04 0:15 ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-04 12:49 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-01-05 3:59 ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-05 11:51 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-01-05 12:01 ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-05 12:49 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-01-05 20:34 ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-08 8:58 ` Gerrit Renker
2006-12-20 20:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
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