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From: Gerrit Renker <gerrit@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert.xu@redhat.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] tcp: fix ambiguity in the `before' relation
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:51:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200701051151.16377@strip-the-willow> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070105035904.GB18653@gondor.apana.org.au>

|  > The key point where the new definition differs from the old is that _the relation_
|  > before(x,y) is unambiguous: the case "before(x,y) && before(y,x)" will no longer occur.
|  
|  This is highly dependent on how the before macro is used in actual code.
|  There is nothing to suggest that this change won't create new security
|  holes in DCCP or any other protocol that uses this macro.  The only
|  way to be sure is to audit every single use.
I fully agree, merely changing the definition means going only half way.
  
|  So I think we need to do one of two things:
|  
|  1) Audit every single before/after check to ensure that it works
|  correctly with the new definition.
For DCCP I will perform such an audit and post the results to dccp@vger. 

With regard to TCP: I am heavily snowed under with other work at the moment. If there
are experienced TCP people on the list who would be happy to look at this, it would be
great. I counted the number of times before() is used - it amounted to 68. There are
of course obvious cases which are quick to dismiss, but in particular the example you
presented yesterday points out that careful analysis is needed.

I asked Dave to revert to the old TCP definition (patch has been committed); for the moment
this seems the safest thing to do.
     
|  2) Change before/after such that before(x, x+2^31) == !before(x+2^31, x).
This is what the new definition does: in the old definition we always have that
before(x, x+2^31) == before(x+2^31, x).

  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-05 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-14 15:07 [PATCH][RFC] tcp: fix ambiguity in the `before' relation Gerrit Renker
2006-12-20 18:31 ` David Miller
2006-12-21 14:42   ` Gerrit Renker
2006-12-22  0:53   ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-03  8:56     ` Gerrit Renker
2007-01-04  0:15       ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-04 12:49         ` Gerrit Renker
2007-01-05  3:59           ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-05 11:51             ` Gerrit Renker [this message]
2007-01-05 12:01               ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-05 12:49                 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-01-05 20:34                   ` Herbert Xu
2007-01-08  8:58                     ` Gerrit Renker
2006-12-20 20:01 ` Christoph Hellwig

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