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From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>
To: Howard Chu <hyc@symas.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	rick.jones2@hp.com, dada1@cosmosbay.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: TCP 2MSL on loopback
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:54:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070306145403.6be2c437@freekitty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45EDE60D.1030706@symas.com>

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:07:09 -0800
Howard Chu <hyc@symas.com> wrote:

> David Miller wrote:
> > From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
> > Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:25:35 -0800
> > 
> >>> On the other hand, being able to configure a small MSL for the loopback 
> >>> device is perfectly safe. Being able to configure a small MSL for other 
> >>> interfaces may be safe, depending on the rest of the network layout.
> >> A peanut gallery question - I seem to recall prior discussions about how 
> >> one cannot assume that a packet destined for a given IP address will 
> >> remain detined for that given IP address as it could go through a module 
> >> that will rewrite headers etc.
> > 
> > That's right, both netfilter and the packet scheduler actions
> > can do that, that's why this whole idea about changing the MSL
> > on loopback by default is wrong and pointless.
> 
> If the headers get rewritten and the packet gets directed elsewhere, 
> then we're no longer talking about a loopback connection, so that's 
> outside the discussion.
> 
> If the packet gets munged by multiple filters but still eventually gets 
> to the specified destination, OK. But regardless, if both endpoints of 
> the connection are on the loopback device, then there is nothing wrong 
> with the idea. Those filters can only do so much, they still have to 
> preserve the reliable in-order delivery semantics of TCP, otherwise the 
> system is broken.
> 
> It may not have much use, sure, I admitted that much from the outset.
> 
> So I'll leave it at this, thanks for the feedback.


TCP can not assume anything about the path that a packet may take.
We have declared a moratorium on loopback benchmark foolishness.
Go optimize the idle loop instead ;-)

-- 
Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@linux-foundation.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-06 22:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <45EBFD13.1060106@symas.com>
2007-03-05 14:28 ` TCP 2MSL on loopback Eric Dumazet
2007-03-05 15:09   ` [PATCH] twcal_jiffie should be unsigned long, not int Eric Dumazet
2007-03-05 21:33     ` David Miller
2007-03-06  9:22   ` TCP 2MSL on loopback Howard Chu
2007-03-06 10:42     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-06 18:39       ` Howard Chu
2007-03-06 20:07         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-06 20:28           ` Howard Chu
2007-03-06 20:39             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-06 21:05               ` Howard Chu
2007-03-06 21:25                 ` Rick Jones
2007-03-06 21:35                   ` David Miller
2007-03-06 22:07                     ` Howard Chu
2007-03-06 22:54                       ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2007-03-06 23:22                         ` Howard Chu
2007-03-06 18:04     ` David Miller
2007-03-06 18:46     ` Rick Jones
2007-03-06 19:25       ` Howard Chu
2007-03-06 20:41         ` Rick Jones
2007-03-07  3:36           ` Howard Chu

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