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From: Michael Buesch <mb-fseUSCV1ubazQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Ulrich Kunitz <kune-hUSrv6EASfkEnNRfnnE9gw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes-cdvu00un1VgdHxzADdlk8Q@public.gmane.org>,
	jt-sDzT885Ts8HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	Jouni Malinen <jkm-r/za7OOdgF0ztatW0fm/fQ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	netdev <netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Dan Williams <dcbw-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: wireless extensions vs. 64-bit architectures
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:30:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200703112130.05717.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070311201148.GA25938-WhJF3imHnk+bHbQv0o6mQ2hcgWyyV7dXYZdqe9AaVak@public.gmane.org>

On Sunday 11 March 2007 21:11, Ulrich Kunitz wrote:
> > I'm still not convinced that papering over the problem in userspace is a
> > real solution.
> > 
> > johannes
> 
> Just my 2 cents. I support this. What are the options? I see only
> two:
> 
> 1. Use different magic numbers for 32 bit and 64 bit structures. A
>    flag is an alternative, but will be more difficult to debug.
>    Generation of the magic should be easy, use sizeof(unsigned
>    long) as test. User space has to care than for the rest.
> 
> 2. Make the data representation identical in 32 bit and 64 bit.
> 
>    This shouldn't be to difficult, if only u8, u16 and u32 types
>    are used.

>    Pointers should be given as offsets.

Offsets to what?

>    If necessary  
>    align and/or packed attributes could be used.
> 
> If the kernel interface can be changed, I vote for option 2,
> because user space has then to deal with a unique data layout.
> If the wext kernel interface cannot be changed to maintain
> backward compatibility, then I have to admit band-aids in user
> space are needed. However cfg80211 must not suffer from the same issues.

All your suggestions break the userspace ABI on all machines,
which is a thing we _really_ want to avoid.

The right fix is to have a compatibility wrapper in the kernel,
but it turns out to be hard to implement. I don't think we want
to change the structures layout and break ABI.

-- 
Greetings Michael.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-11 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-06  1:27 wireless extensions vs. 64-bit architectures Johannes Berg
2007-03-06 14:31 ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-06 17:13 ` Jean Tourrilhes
     [not found]   ` <20070306171316.GA19669-yAE0UhLNZJawPNPzzlOzwdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-06 18:43     ` Michael Buesch
     [not found]       ` <200703061943.07350.mb-fseUSCV1ubazQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-07  1:42         ` Jean Tourrilhes
2007-03-07  2:03       ` Jean Tourrilhes
     [not found]         ` <20070307020310.GA20466-yAE0UhLNZJawPNPzzlOzwdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 14:39           ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]             ` <1173364747.14001.7.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 16:51               ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-08 17:37               ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-08 18:49             ` Jean Tourrilhes
2007-03-08 19:08               ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                 ` <1173380909.3248.52.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 19:13                   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2007-03-08 19:23                     ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]               ` <20070308184954.GA24485-yAE0UhLNZJawPNPzzlOzwdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 19:27                 ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-08 19:34                   ` Jouni Malinen
     [not found]                     ` <20070308193412.GG23040-r/za7OOdgF0ztatW0fm/fQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 19:40                       ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                         ` <1173382802.3248.68.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 22:11                           ` Jean Tourrilhes
     [not found]                             ` <20070308221128.GA24884-yAE0UhLNZJawPNPzzlOzwdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 22:17                               ` Randy Dunlap
     [not found]                                 ` <20070308141756.efdfd6da.randy.dunlap-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 22:30                                   ` Jean Tourrilhes
     [not found]                                     ` <20070308223058.GA24960-yAE0UhLNZJawPNPzzlOzwdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 22:36                                       ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-08 22:34                                   ` David Miller
2007-03-08 22:49                                 ` Pavel Roskin
2007-03-08 22:22                               ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                 ` <1173392526.3831.12.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-08 22:36                                   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2007-03-08 22:35                               ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-09 21:35                                 ` Jean Tourrilhes
     [not found]                                   ` <20070309213531.GA28070-yAE0UhLNZJawPNPzzlOzwdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-09 23:19                                     ` Jouni Malinen
     [not found]                                       ` <20070309231922.GF24143-r/za7OOdgF0ztatW0fm/fQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-10  1:01                                         ` Jean Tourrilhes
2007-03-11 17:40                                     ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                       ` <1173634801.3382.8.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-11 20:11                                         ` Ulrich Kunitz
     [not found]                                           ` <20070311201148.GA25938-WhJF3imHnk+bHbQv0o6mQ2hcgWyyV7dXYZdqe9AaVak@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-11 20:30                                             ` Michael Buesch [this message]
2007-03-12 17:56                                         ` Jean Tourrilhes
2007-03-12 18:21                                           ` Jouni Malinen
     [not found]                                             ` <20070312182149.GA1785-r/za7OOdgF0ztatW0fm/fQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-12 20:34                                               ` Jean Tourrilhes
     [not found]                                           ` <20070312175639.GA4048-yAE0UhLNZJawPNPzzlOzwdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-13 19:42                                             ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                               ` <1173814925.12717.6.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2007-03-13 21:30                                                 ` Jean Tourrilhes

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