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From: Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>
To: Chris Snook <csnook@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, ak@suse.de, davem@davemloft.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	schwidefsky@de.ibm.com, wensong@linux-vs.org, horms@verge.net.au,
	wjiang@resilience.com, cfriesen@nortel.com, zlynx@acm.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] make atomic_t volatile on all architectures
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:14:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070809081419.GA9580@osiris.boeblingen.de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46BAC2BE.1090106@redhat.com>

On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 03:31:10AM -0400, Chris Snook wrote:
>  Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > I'd be *much* happier with "atomic_read()" doing the "volatile" instead.
> > The fact is, volatile on data structures is a bug. It's a wart in the C 
> > language. It shouldn't be used. Volatile accesses in *code* can be ok, and 
> > if we have "atomic_read()" expand to a "*(volatile int *)&(x)->value", then 
> > I'd be ok with that.
> > But marking data structures volatile just makes the compiler screw up 
> > totally, and makes code for initialization sequences etc much worse.
> > 		Linus
> 
>  Fair enough.  Casting to (volatile int *) will give us the behavior people 
>  expect when using atomic_t without needing to use inefficient barriers.
> 
>  While we have the hood up, should we convert all the atomic_t's to 
>  non-volatile and put volatile casts in all the atomic_reads?  I don't know 
>  enough about the various arches to say with confidence that those changes 
>  alone will preserve existing behavior.  We might need some arch-specific 
>  tweaking of the atomic operations.

If you write that patch could you include the atomic64 variants as well,
please? Besides that just post the patch to linux-arch and maintainers
should speak up.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-09  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-08 23:07 [PATCH] make atomic_t volatile on all architectures Chris Snook
2007-08-08 23:18 ` Jesper Juhl
2007-08-08 23:31   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-08 23:51     ` Jesper Juhl
2007-08-08 23:25 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2007-08-08 23:35   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09  1:03 ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-09  1:48   ` David Miller
2007-08-09  3:47     ` Paul E. McKenney
2007-08-09  7:47   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09  8:30     ` Herbert Xu
2007-08-09 11:44       ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09  4:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-09  4:59   ` Jerry Jiang
2007-08-09  7:31   ` Chris Snook
2007-08-09  8:14     ` Heiko Carstens [this message]
2007-08-09 17:36     ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-09 17:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-09 18:20         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-12  5:53           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-12  6:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-12  9:48               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-12  9:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-12 16:30                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-12 18:11                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-12 19:13                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-12 10:27               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-12 17:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-12  9:47             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-08-12 10:35               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-09 17:57       ` Martin Schwidefsky
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     [not found] ` <8Q7Fa-7rJ-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <8Q8rD-hh-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-08-09  9:10     ` Bodo Eggert
2007-08-09  9:18       ` Jerry Jiang
2007-08-09 15:00         ` Linus Torvalds

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