From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
sam@ravnborg.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro.
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:53:34 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200711241553.34744.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071123195330.GA24223@one.firstfloor.org>
On Saturday 24 November 2007 06:53:30 Andi Kleen wrote:
> This serves as a documentation
> on what is considered internal. And if some obscure module (in or
> out of tree) wants to use an internal interface they first have
> to send the module maintainer a patch and get some review this way.
So, you're saying that there's a problem with in-tree modules using symbols
they shouldn't? Can you give an example?
> I believe that is fairly important in tree too because the
> kernel has become so big now that review cannot be the only
> enforcement mechanism for this anymore.
If people aren't reviewing, this won't make them review. I don't think the
problem is that people are conniving to avoid review.
> Another secondary reason is that there are too many exported interfaces
> in general.
Probably, but this doesn't reduce it.
> Several distributions have policies that require to
> keep the changes to these exported interfaces minimal and that
> is very hard with thousands of exported symbol. With name spaces
> the number of truly publicly exported symbols will hopefully
> shrink to a much smaller, more manageable set.
*This* makes sense. But it's not clear that the burden should be placed on
kernel coders. You can create a list yourself. How do I tell the difference
between "truly publicly exported" symbols and others?
If a symbol has more than one in-tree user, it's hard to argue against an
out-of-tree module using the symbol, unless you're arguing against *all*
out-of-tree modules.
Sorry,
Rusty.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-11-24 4:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-22 2:43 [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [2/9] Fix duplicate symbol check to also check future gpl and unused symbols Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [3/9] modpost: Declare the modpost error functions as printf like Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 18:50 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-12-10 18:58 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-12 1:37 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [4/9] modpost: Fix format string warnings Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 18:50 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-22 2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [5/9] modpost: Fix a buffer overflow in modpost Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 19:32 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-12-10 19:57 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-10 20:07 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-22 2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [6/9] Implement namespace checking " Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [7/9] Convert TCP exports into namespaces Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [8/9] Put UDP exports into a namespace Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 2:43 ` [PATCH RFC] [9/9] Add a inet namespace Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 3:03 ` [PATCH RFC] [1/9] Core module symbol namespaces code and intro Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-22 3:37 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 3:52 ` Dave Jones
2007-11-22 3:56 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 8:41 ` Dave Young
2007-11-22 18:19 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23 2:06 ` Dave Young
2007-11-22 11:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-23 0:25 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-23 1:36 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23 3:35 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-23 19:53 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-24 4:53 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2007-11-24 12:39 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-26 1:23 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 11:46 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-23 0:29 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-25 20:29 ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-26 1:25 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-26 5:58 ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27 4:26 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-27 10:50 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 13:58 ` Herbert Xu
2007-11-27 14:12 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 14:36 ` Herbert Xu
2007-11-27 20:02 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-28 1:34 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-22 11:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-22 11:54 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-22 12:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-22 12:01 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2007-11-22 18:17 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-25 20:27 ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-26 1:28 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-26 6:15 ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27 4:49 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-27 5:35 ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27 9:02 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 17:24 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 17:15 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-27 17:45 ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27 18:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28 1:27 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-28 4:12 ` Tom Tucker
2007-11-27 15:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
2007-11-27 15:58 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 16:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-27 22:31 ` Jon Masters
[not found] ` <1196202698.3415.119.camel@jcmlaptop>
2007-11-27 22:37 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 23:00 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-27 23:06 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-28 16:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28 17:31 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-26 18:25 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-26 22:18 ` Roland Dreier
2007-11-27 19:00 ` Dave Jones
[not found] ` <20071127210942.GF3406@stusta.de>
2007-11-27 21:15 ` Rick Jones
2007-11-27 21:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-28 2:01 ` Rick Jones
2007-11-27 21:25 ` Dave Jones
2007-11-27 23:00 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-11-29 16:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-11-30 2:18 ` Rusty Russell
2007-11-29 9:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-11-29 10:00 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-29 10:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
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