Netconf at conf.au 2008?

Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[Andy Johnson]

Hello,
I saw somewhere (maybe in this mailing list a while ago) that there
might be a  Linux Kernel Developers' Netconf conference  at conf.au
2008.

Does anyone here know if  such a thing is planned ?

Regards,
Andy

Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[Glen Turner]

On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 08:52 +0200, Andy Johnson wrote:
> I saw somewhere (maybe in this mailing list a while ago) that there
> might be a  Linux Kernel Developers' Netconf conference  at conf.au
> 2008.
> 
> Does anyone here know if  such a thing is planned ?

Hi Andy,

I don't know.

However this seems a good opportunity to remind people that
AARNet will as usual be proving a 1Gbps link from linux.conf.au
to universities and national labs in the USA and beyond.
Netdev people are welcome to hammer this if they want to test
performance on a real-life long fat pipe (minimum RTT > 200ms).

If you particularly want some feature (IPv6, multicast,
whatever), some engineering detail, a real worst case RTT
(Perth-Sydney-Seattle-New York-Amsterdam-Tomsk @ 1Gbps) or
some office space before/after the conference then drop
me a mail.

There are two well-educated users of fast long-distance
networks in Melbourne doing transfers for physics and
astronomy applications. If the application/TCP interaction
is of interest then I can arrange an introduction.

Best wishes,
Glen

-- 
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Australia's Academic & Research Network         www.aarnet.edu.au

Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[David Miller]

From: Glen Turner <gdt@gdt.id.au>
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:23:45 +1030

> 
> On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 08:52 +0200, Andy Johnson wrote:
> > I saw somewhere (maybe in this mailing list a while ago) that there
> > might be a  Linux Kernel Developers' Netconf conference  at conf.au
> > 2008.
> > 
> > Does anyone here know if  such a thing is planned ?
> 
> I don't know.

We wanted to do a netconf in Sydney right before LCA08, but an unnamed
company with a multi billion dollar market capitalization that uses
Linux networking technology on thousands upon thounsands of their
servers didn't want to pony up for some funding to cover airfare and
hotel expenses for several of the attendees.  They wanted to provide
nothing more than a conference room and then get their names in bright
lights so they could say they "sponsored" netconf.

So, no, there will be no netconf at LCA08.  But many of us will be
there anyways and chatting in any event :-)

Thanks for the offer for the network pipe.  I'm not interested
personally as I like to relax during the conference not hack actively
on anything too seriously.  I'm there to present, keep up semi
regularly with my email, and chat with folks.

Now, if this were available outside of the conference so that we could
play with it remotely from where we work, that's more interesting.

Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[Andy Johnson]

Hello,
Sorry to hear that; I believe many would want to attend netconf in case
it was a part of LCA08. I must add that I followed some of the presentations
slides of netconf from recent years and it seemed very interesting and
very advanced.
I also watched the "Linux IPSEC Scaling" video (available on the internet)
from  LCA 2007 and found it really interesting . (I don't think that there is
any video from netconf conferences from recent years).
I wish that in LCA09 things will be different.


(And of course I did not mean any netconf stuff from martin krafft,
which I already knew before)
Regards,
Andy




On Jan 14, 2008 4:08 AM, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> From: Glen Turner <gdt@gdt.id.au>
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:23:45 +1030
>
> >
> > On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 08:52 +0200, Andy Johnson wrote:
> > > I saw somewhere (maybe in this mailing list a while ago) that there
> > > might be a  Linux Kernel Developers' Netconf conference  at conf.au
> > > 2008.
> > >
> > > Does anyone here know if  such a thing is planned ?
> >
> > I don't know.
>
> We wanted to do a netconf in Sydney right before LCA08, but an unnamed
> company with a multi billion dollar market capitalization that uses
> Linux networking technology on thousands upon thounsands of their
> servers didn't want to pony up for some funding to cover airfare and
> hotel expenses for several of the attendees.  They wanted to provide
> nothing more than a conference room and then get their names in bright
> lights so they could say they "sponsored" netconf.
>
> So, no, there will be no netconf at LCA08.  But many of us will be
> there anyways and chatting in any event :-)
>
> Thanks for the offer for the network pipe.  I'm not interested
> personally as I like to relax during the conference not hack actively
> on anything too seriously.  I'm there to present, keep up semi
> regularly with my email, and chat with folks.
>
> Now, if this were available outside of the conference so that we could
> play with it remotely from where we work, that's more interesting.
>

Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[Glen Turner]

On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 18:08 -0800, David Miller wrote:

> Now, if this were available outside of the conference so that we could
> play with it remotely from where we work, that's more interesting.

Hi David,

As I posted to this list last year AARNet is willing to make
a 10GE connected server in Perth available to the netdev
and PFLDNet communities.  There was a matching offer from the
University of Manchester in England, which gives an impressive
BDP (Perth-Sydney-Seattle-New York-London @ 10Gbps across
production networks).  Since there was no reply to the offer
it went on the back burner and we've done a smaller rollout
(Perth-Seattle) to suit our own immediate needs.

We really appreciate your work and the work of everyone else
on the netdev list, so I'll re-contact Manchester and get this
back on track.


If you have trouble hosting netconf next year please get in
touch.  Although AARNet could not sponsor the flights or
accommodation we could provide everything else you require.
We're not "name in bright lights" people so there would be
plenty of room for other sponsors. [1]

Alternatively, AARNet has been pretty successful in the past
at attracting sponsorship for events which benefit our users,
so if you and the netdev people were willing to hold a one-day
training/workshop of interest to academic and research network
users (say network host tuning) before/after your meeting then
we'd have no trouble getting sponsorship via the training
event that would be sufficient to cover the airfares and
accommodation for the larger event.


Anyway, to cut to the chase, the users of AARNet face large
RTTs to get anywhere and we are very appreciative of the
huge amount of work that you, John, Stephen and many others
on this list have put into improving performance under the
conditions we face.  If we can help your work then please
ask.

Best wishes, Glen

[1] Witness our sponsorship of linux.conf.au, where our
    only real request is that people don't place us in a
    difficult position by misusing the network we provide.

-- 
Glen Turner, Network Engineer   (08) 8303 3936 or +61 8 8303 3936
Australia's Academic & Research Network         www.aarnet.edu.au

Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[David Miller]

From: Glen Turner <gdt@gdt.id.au>
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:31:20 +1030

> If you have trouble hosting netconf next year please get in
> touch.  Although AARNet could not sponsor the flights or
> accommodation we could provide everything else you require.

I appreciate the offer, but the funding is the one and only issue.

I have more ways to get conference facilities and network connectivity
for them than I need.

> so if you and the netdev people were willing to hold a one-day
> training/workshop of interest to academic and research network
> users (say network host tuning) before/after your meeting then
> we'd have no trouble getting sponsorship via the training
> event that would be sufficient to cover the airfares and
> accommodation for the larger event.

We're really not interested in things like this, but thanks for
mentioning.

At best what we do is allow one or two representatives from a major
sponsoring party to attend and give a presentation (netconf is invite
only, so this is a big deal).  And that presentation must be on
practical work the presenter has done or is doing with the Linux
networking upstream (ie. it can't be a "our company needs the Linux
networking to do X", some sales/marketing pitch, or "here's cool
proprietary Y we're doing with Linux")

Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[martin f krafft]

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also sprach Andy Johnson <johnsonzjo@gmail.com> [2008.01.12.0752 +0100]:
> I saw somewhere (maybe in this mailing list a while ago) that
> there might be a  Linux Kernel Developers' Netconf conference  at
> conf.au 2008.

I think you may be mixing things up, and it may be my fault in ways.
I am developing netconf: http://netconf.alioth.debian.org. I am
aware of the NETCONF protocol and have considered renaming my
project, but looking around, it seemed to me that NETCONF isn't
really all that active, and so I chose to keep the name. If people
think that wasn't wise, I'm willing to listen...

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Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[David Miller]

From: martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net>
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:17:51 +0100

> also sprach Andy Johnson <johnsonzjo@gmail.com> [2008.01.12.0752 +0100]:
> > I saw somewhere (maybe in this mailing list a while ago) that
> > there might be a  Linux Kernel Developers' Netconf conference  at
> > conf.au 2008.
> 
> I think you may be mixing things up, and it may be my fault in ways.
> I am developing netconf: http://netconf.alioth.debian.org. I am
> aware of the NETCONF protocol and have considered renaming my
> project, but looking around, it seemed to me that NETCONF isn't
> really all that active, and so I chose to keep the name. If people
> think that wasn't wise, I'm willing to listen...

Netconf is the name of the usually annual conference the core
Linux networking developer organize.

Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[martin f. krafft]

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also sprach David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> [2008.01.14.0312 +0100]:
> > I think you may be mixing things up, and it may be my fault in
> > ways. I am developing netconf: http://netconf.alioth.debian.org.
> > I am aware of the NETCONF protocol and have considered renaming
> > my project, but looking around, it seemed to me that NETCONF
> > isn't really all that active, and so I chose to keep the name.
> > If people think that wasn't wise, I'm willing to listen...
> 
> Netconf is the name of the usually annual conference the core
> Linux networking developer organize.

Fun fun fun: name clashes. In Debian, we have debconf, the tool, the
protocol and the conference. Now we have netconf, the tool, the
protocol and the conference.

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Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明]

In article <20080113181751.GA15063@lapse.madduck.net> (at Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:17:51 +0100), martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> says:

> also sprach Andy Johnson <johnsonzjo@gmail.com> [2008.01.12.0752 +0100]:
> > I saw somewhere (maybe in this mailing list a while ago) that
> > there might be a  Linux Kernel Developers' Netconf conference  at
> > conf.au 2008.
> 
> I think you may be mixing things up, and it may be my fault in ways.
> I am developing netconf: http://netconf.alioth.debian.org. I am
> aware of the NETCONF protocol and have considered renaming my
> project, but looking around, it seemed to me that NETCONF isn't
> really all that active, and so I chose to keep the name. If people
> think that wasn't wise, I'm willing to listen...

Very confusing to me...

--yoshfuji

Re: Netconf at conf.au 2008?

[martin f. krafft]

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also sprach YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org> [2008.01.14.1206 +0100]:
> Very confusing to me...

FYI:
http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/netconf-devel/2008-January/000214.html

However, I am not entirely convinced. I think
conference/tool/protocol are far apart enough so that the name does
not clash.

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 in the latter we have to concede the field to microsoft. guess
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