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From: Michael Buesch <mb-fseUSCV1ubazQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
	<hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org>,
	David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Richard Purdie <rpurdie-Fm38FmjxZ/leoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven
	<geert-Td1EMuHUCqxL1ZNQvxDV9g@public.gmane.org>,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky
	<schwidefsky-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Heiko Carstens
	<heiko.carstens-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-usb-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
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	video4linux-list-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	Stefan Richter
	<stefanr-MtYdepGKPcBMYopoZt5u/LNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>,
	lm-sensors-GZX6beZjE8VD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: use of preempt_count instead of in_atomic() at leds-gpio.c
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:36:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803210236.52063.mb@bu3sch.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0803202126240.11234-100000-pYrvlCTfrz9XsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>

On Friday 21 March 2008 02:31:44 Alan Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:36:04 -0300 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh-N3TV7GIv+o9fyO9Q7EP/yw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, so far so good for LEDs, but what about the other users of in_atomic
> > > that apparently should not be doing it either?
> > 
> > Ho hum.  Lots of cc's added.
> 
> ...
> 
> > The usual pattern for most of the above is
> > 
> > 	if (!in_atomic())
> > 		do_something_which_might_sleep();
> > 
> > problem is, in_atomic() returns false inside spinlock on non-preptible
> > kernels.  So if anyone calls those functions inside spinlock they will
> > incorrectly schedule and another task can then come in and try take the
> > already-held lock.
> > 
> > Now, it happens that in_atomic() returns true on non-preemtible kernels
> > when running in interrupt or softirq context.  But if the above code really
> > is using in_atomic() to detect am-i-called-from-interrupt and NOT
> > am-i-called-from-inside-spinlock, they should be using in_irq(),
> > in_softirq() or in_interrupt().
> 
> Presumably most of these places are actually trying to detect 
> am-i-allowed-to-sleep.  Isn't that what in_atomic() is supposed to do?  

No, I think there is no such check in the kernel. Most likely for performance
reasons, as it would require a global flag that is set on each spinlock.
You simply must always _know_, if you are allowed to sleep or not. This is
done by defining an API. The call-context is part of any kernel API.

-- 
Greetings Michael.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-21  1:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080316184349.GA28543@khazad-dum.debian.net>
     [not found] ` <200803161246.23909.david-b@pacbell.net>
     [not found]   ` <20080318001429.896acf51.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]     ` <20080320225612.GB20788@khazad-dum.debian.net>
     [not found]       ` <20080320164741.734e838c.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]         ` <20080321003604.GC20788@khazad-dum.debian.net>
2008-03-21  1:08           ` use of preempt_count instead of in_atomic() at leds-gpio.c Andrew Morton
     [not found]             ` <20080320180802.426ad2d1.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21  1:31               ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0803202126240.11234-100000-pYrvlCTfrz9XsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21  1:36                   ` Michael Buesch [this message]
     [not found]                     ` <200803210236.52063.mb-fseUSCV1ubazQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21  2:27                       ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                         ` <20080320192719.6a32386e.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21  3:07                           ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0803202301140.16520-100000-pYrvlCTfrz9XsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21  3:17                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-21 13:47                           ` Heiko Carstens
     [not found]                             ` <20080321134750.GB4128-Pmgahw53EmNLmI7Nx2oIsGnsbthNF6/HVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21 16:54                               ` Greg KH
     [not found]                                 ` <20080321165405.GC5766-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21 19:59                                   ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                                     ` <20080321125950.a5b38bda.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21 20:16                                       ` Michael Buesch
     [not found]                                         ` <200803212116.49462.mb-fseUSCV1ubazQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21 20:20                                           ` Michael Buesch
2008-03-21  9:21               ` Stefan Richter
     [not found]                 ` <47E37E04.3080303-MtYdepGKPcBMYopoZt5u/LNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-21  9:27                   ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-21 12:37                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-03-21 13:16                     ` Stefan Richter
     [not found]                       ` <47E3B528.6010200-MtYdepGKPcBMYopoZt5u/LNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-22 11:29                         ` Stefan Richter
2008-03-21 17:04               ` David Brownell

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