From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: "Kok, Auke" <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com>,
Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
NetDev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
e1000-list <e1000-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
linux-pci maillist <linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Jesse Brandeburg <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
"Ronciak, John" <john.ronciak@intel.com>,
"Allan, Bruce W" <bruce.w.allan@intel.com>,
Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:36:44 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080411113644.GA7767@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080411112653.GC9205@elte.hu>
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 01:26:53PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> really, just because you do exceedingly good things to Linux does not
> give you a free card to do something bad to Linux in exchange. The two
> do not cancel out each other - because the bad things _add up_ and drive
> away users, irreversibly. To you e1000 is the center of the universe so
> you feel the price is worth paying. For others it is not. We want the
> good things from you and we'll say no thanks to the bad ideas. Kernel
> developers, especially old-timers, regularly forget about that.
Hey, hey calm down. The device moving over to e1000e shouldn never
have been added to e1000. They're totally differnet and the only reason
they got added in thefirst time was because soemone talked intel into
it.
We discussed this a long time and came to a wide agreement it should
move out. Now the actual transition could and should have been handled
better, but with all the pci-e hardware in a separate driver we're all
off better in the long term.
And this is not really comparable to the libata transition at all,
there's no user-visible changed. For every distro kernel that just
builds both driver it's a completely seamless transition, and for
people who build their own kernel we should find some Kconfig trickery
to make the transition easier. For example we could just built e1000e
when CONFIG_E1000 is set and spill a warning that starting from 1.1.2009
you will have to have CONFIG_E1000E set aswell.
>
> Ingo
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-11 11:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-04 21:11 [ANNOUNCE] e1000 to e1000e migration of PCI Express devices Kok, Auke
2008-04-04 21:31 ` Dave Hansen
2008-04-04 21:49 ` [E1000-devel] " Kok, Auke
2008-04-04 21:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 8:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 14:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 15:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 14:56 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-08 16:18 ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-08 18:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 18:39 ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 (was: Re: [ANNOUNCE] e1000 to e1000e migration of PCI Express devices) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 19:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-08 19:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 19:56 ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 20:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-08 20:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:47 ` [E1000-devel] " Kok, Auke
2008-04-08 20:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 19:38 ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix (was: Re: [regression] e1000e broke e1000) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 19:50 ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 20:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 20:12 ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-09 20:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 18:29 ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-10 19:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-10 21:23 ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-10 21:44 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-04-10 21:52 ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-11 7:54 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-11 0:46 ` Philip Craig
2008-04-11 11:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 11:36 ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2008-04-11 12:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 16:22 ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-11 16:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-11 17:26 ` Kok, Auke
2008-04-11 17:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 17:53 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-11 18:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 19:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-11 19:25 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-11 19:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-11 20:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 20:22 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-11 20:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 21:01 ` Dan Noe
2008-04-11 22:06 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-11 22:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-11 23:05 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-11 23:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-11 23:15 ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-04-11 23:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-11 23:58 ` david
2008-04-12 13:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-13 21:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-13 21:34 ` Ondrej Zary
2008-06-09 19:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 17:10 ` Martin Mares
2008-04-09 20:49 ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix (was: Re: [regression] e1000e broke e1000) Frans Pop
2008-04-09 23:59 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-10 1:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-10 9:57 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-10 14:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-10 17:55 ` Grant Grundler
2008-04-10 18:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-10 18:26 ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix Kok, Auke
2008-04-10 21:20 ` Chris Friesen
2008-04-10 19:27 ` [patch] e1000=y && e1000e=m regression fix (was: Re: [regression] e1000e broke e1000) Linus Torvalds
2008-04-10 21:35 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-04-08 20:31 ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 Kok, Auke
2008-04-09 19:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 19:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-11 11:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 15:40 ` Chris Friesen
2008-04-11 19:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-10 0:52 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-04-11 8:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 19:43 ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 (was: Re: [ANNOUNCE] e1000 toe1000e migration of PCI Express devices) Brandeburg, Jesse
2008-04-08 19:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-08 20:12 ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 Dan Noe
2008-04-08 20:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-04-08 20:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-08 20:36 ` Martin Mares
2008-04-08 20:39 ` Dan Noe
2008-04-08 20:13 ` showing which hardware is unclaimed Rick Jones
2008-04-08 20:35 ` Martin Mares
2008-04-08 20:17 ` [regression] e1000e broke e1000 (was: Re: [ANNOUNCE] e1000 toe1000e migration of PCI Express devices) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 19:08 ` [ANNOUNCE] e1000 to e1000e migration of PCI Express devices Ingo Molnar
2008-04-09 19:38 ` Andi Kleen
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