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From: Bill Fink <billfink@mindspring.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, w@1wt.eu,
	david@lang.hm, sclark46@earthlink.net, johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru,
	rjw@sisk.pl, tilman@imap.cc, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
	lkml@rtr.ca, jesper.juhl@gmail.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org,
	jeff@garzik.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	git@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:25:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080415012533.832db7ed.billfink@mindspring.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878wzgwyyw.fsf@basil.nowhere.org>

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, Andi Kleen wrote:

> David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> writes:
> >
> > It's still largely free form, loose, and flexible. 
> 
> I think Al's point was that we need far more "free form, loose and
> flexible" work for reviewing code. As in people going over trees and
> just checking it for anything suspicious and going over existing code
> and checking it for anything suspicious and going also over mailing
> list patch posts. And also maintainers who appreciate such review.
> 
> And checking it for anything suspicious does not mean running
> only checkpatch.pl or even just sparse, but actually reading it
> and trying to make sense of it.

If you really want to get more such review, then it would be very
useful when someone asks about some obtuse portion of kernel code
or makes a suggested improvement, that the reviewer then not be
flamed as being dense for not understanding the code or some kernel
coding concept.  It would be much better to treat it as an oppurtunity
to educate rather than belittle, thus eventually enlarging the base
of people who can assist with various aspects of kernel development.
For what's supposed to be an open, engaging community, and which
generally is, there sometimes seems to be some level of dismissal
of newcomers (not sure it's intended that way but nevertheless it
can tend to discourage newcomers from getting more involved).

						-Bill

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-15  5:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080409.182228.193699767.davem@davemloft.net>
     [not found] ` <47FE3020.1070502@imap.cc>
     [not found]   ` <9a8748490804101509l5d043ff8w565dc44dfeaf0072@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <20080410.154651.101700010.davem@davemloft.net>
2008-04-11  0:16       ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:24         ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:27           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:39             ` David Miller
2008-04-11  1:23               ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  6:40                 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 13:19                   ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 14:35                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 14:59                       ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 15:18                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 18:07                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11 21:29                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  8:44                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-12  9:49                               ` David Miller
2008-04-13 18:15                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:51                                   ` Sergio Luis
2008-04-13 19:24                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-11 19:58                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:16                       ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11 22:25                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 22:27                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11 23:23                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-12  5:37                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  7:06                             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 22:26                         ` David Miller
2008-04-11 19:58                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:27                   ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-13 18:40                     ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:47                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-13 19:18                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 19:27                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 19:47                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection David Miller
2008-04-13 20:21                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 20:33                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 20:54                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 22:24                                 ` Reporting bugs and bisection Stephen Clark
2008-04-13 22:41                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:51                                   ` david
2008-04-14  0:36                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14  4:39                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14  5:39                                       ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  6:24                                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  6:39                                           ` David Miller
2008-04-14  6:43                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-14  7:23                                           ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  7:43                                             ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  8:04                                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:30                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14  9:06                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  9:46                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15  5:25                                                   ` Bill Fink [this message]
2008-04-14 10:15                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41                                                   ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35                                                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30                                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54                                             ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15  4:55                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18                                                     ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15  9:33                                               ` David Newall
2008-04-15  9:54                                                 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04                                                   ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16  2:34                                                       ` David Newall
2008-04-16  3:53                                                         ` david
2008-04-16  9:06                                                           ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41                                                           ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16  4:29                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15                                                 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43                                                       ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58                                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39                                                     ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:53                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05                                                           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25                                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55                                                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04                                                     ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35                                                         ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57                                                           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-17 20:16                                                           ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38                                                             ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53                                                               ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01                                                                 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38                                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18                                               ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14  9:26                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:35                             ` David Miller
2008-04-14 10:18                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 10:29                             ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:10                         ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14  9:58                         ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 10:00                           ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 10:16                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 21:53               ` about bisections (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 22:30                 ` about bisections David Miller
2008-04-15 22:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11  0:56           ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11  1:08             ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:26         ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:29           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  2:59             ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-11  3:18               ` [PATCH 2.6.25] net sockets: fix timewait namespace regression Mark Lord
2008-04-11  3:51                 ` David Miller
2008-04-11  7:50               ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Pavel Emelyanov

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