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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
To: sverre@rabbelier.nl
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	david@lang.hm, Stephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net>,
	Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	jesper.juhl@gmail.com, yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, jeff@garzik.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:16:06 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080416201606.GS1677@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bd6139dc0804161239h17e79c70ta5e938619e5743c9@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 09:39:41PM +0200, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org> wrote:
>...
> >  E.g. if you look at commit f743d04dcfbeda7439b78802d35305781999aa11
> >  (ide/legacy/q40ide.c: add MODULE_LICENSE), how could you determine
> >  automatically that it is a bugfix, and the commit that introduced
> >  the bug?
> 
> Well, a dead giveaway would be:
> "http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10124"

Which could be "There is no driver for my TV card in the kernel."

> >  You can always get some data, but if you want to get usable statistics
> >  you need explicit tags in the commits, not some algorithm that tries
> >  to guess.
> 
> As said above, I don't agree, you can 'guess' very reliably on a large
> dataset. Also, most commits are already 'tagged' in some way or
> another. The trick is to find the pattern in this tagging and use it.
> 
> I hope this clears things up a bit,

I hope you are aware of the non-technical implications if the results 
don't match reality?

E.g. I am proud that my commits do virtually never introduce bugs, so 
any results someone publishes about what I do should better be right
or my first thoughts are somewhere between "fist" and "lawyer". [1]

> Cheers,
> 
> Sverre Rabbelier

cu
Adrian

[1] my actual reaction might only be an angry email, but I hope you
    get the point that wrong results can really piss off people

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-16 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080409.182228.193699767.davem@davemloft.net>
     [not found] ` <47FE3020.1070502@imap.cc>
     [not found]   ` <9a8748490804101509l5d043ff8w565dc44dfeaf0072@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <20080410.154651.101700010.davem@davemloft.net>
2008-04-11  0:16       ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:24         ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:27           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  0:39             ` David Miller
2008-04-11  1:23               ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  6:40                 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 13:19                   ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 14:35                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 14:59                       ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 15:18                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 18:07                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11 21:29                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  8:44                             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-12  9:49                               ` David Miller
2008-04-13 18:15                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:51                                   ` Sergio Luis
2008-04-13 19:24                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-11 19:58                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:16                       ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11 22:25                         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 22:27                           ` David Miller
2008-04-11 23:23                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-12  5:37                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12  7:06                             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 22:26                         ` David Miller
2008-04-11 19:58                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:27                   ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-13 18:40                     ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:47                       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-13 19:18                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 19:27                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 19:47                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection David Miller
2008-04-13 20:21                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 20:33                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 20:54                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 22:24                                 ` Reporting bugs and bisection Stephen Clark
2008-04-13 22:41                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:51                                   ` david
2008-04-14  0:36                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14  4:39                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14  5:39                                       ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  6:24                                         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  6:39                                           ` David Miller
2008-04-14  6:43                                             ` David Miller
2008-04-14  7:23                                           ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  7:43                                             ` Al Viro
2008-04-14  8:04                                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14  8:30                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14  9:06                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14  9:46                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15  5:25                                                   ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41                                                   ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35                                                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30                                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54                                             ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01                                               ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15  4:55                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18                                                     ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15  9:33                                               ` David Newall
2008-04-15  9:54                                                 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04                                                   ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16  2:34                                                       ` David Newall
2008-04-16  3:53                                                         ` david
2008-04-16  9:06                                                           ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02                                                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41                                                           ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16  4:29                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15                                                 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26                                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43                                                       ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55                                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26                                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58                                                       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39                                                     ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16                                                       ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2008-04-16 20:53                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05                                                           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25                                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04                                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55                                                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04                                                     ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35                                                         ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57                                                           ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-17 20:16                                                           ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38                                                             ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53                                                               ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01                                                                 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38                                             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18                                               ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14  9:26                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:35                             ` David Miller
2008-04-14 10:18                           ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 10:29                             ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:10                         ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14  9:58                         ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 10:00                           ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 10:16                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 21:53               ` about bisections (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 22:30                 ` about bisections David Miller
2008-04-15 22:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11  0:56           ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11  1:08             ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:26         ` David Miller
2008-04-11  0:29           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11  2:59             ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-11  3:18               ` [PATCH 2.6.25] net sockets: fix timewait namespace regression Mark Lord
2008-04-11  3:51                 ` David Miller
2008-04-11  7:50               ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Pavel Emelyanov

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