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From: Gerrit Renker <gerrit@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
To: Remi Denis-Courmont <rdenis@simphalempin.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, dccp@vger.kernel.org, Arnaldo <acme@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] [DCCP]: Deprecate SOCK_DCCP in favour of SOCK_DGRAM
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:46:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080513134631.GA7024@gerrit.erg.abdn.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48a00ddc692de4b7b71273614e61ab17@chewa.net>

| 
| DCCP clearly fails the POSIX definition of SOCK_DGRAM in different ways.
| 
| I think this is not a good idea.
| 
Thanks for the clarification. Even in Posix, datagram = connection-less.
Plus the issues with older kernel releases. Question resolved, no SOCK_DGRAM.


| > It also relieves the libc writers from having to support another socket
| > type.
| 
| As long as SOCK_DCCP-or-whatever is not automatically selected when
| ai_socktype is nul, this should be both easy to implement in libc *and*
| backward compatible (applications will not try to use DCCP implicitly).
| 
There are two possibilities:
 * as additional supported protocol (there are many new transport
   protocols, perhaps there is some kind of modular support),
 * if DCCP service codes are part of the lookup, then getting library
   support can take longer (algorithm changes).

Both may take a while until available. In the meantime it would be good
to find some smart workaround for getaddrinfo, as changes in the internals
so far required to fix applications several times.

      reply	other threads:[~2008-05-13 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-13  7:28 [RFC] [DCCP]: Deprecate SOCK_DCCP in favour of SOCK_DGRAM Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13  7:39 ` David Miller
2008-05-13  9:37   ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 15:50     ` David Stevens
2008-05-13 16:23       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 16:59         ` David Stevens
2008-05-13 17:06           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 17:34             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:53               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:33           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:03         ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 17:37           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 17:50             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 19:14             ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14  8:09               ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 14:06                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 14:45                   ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 16:06                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:22                       ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 17:43                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 18:00                           ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 17:39                       ` Sridhar Samudrala
2008-05-14 17:49                         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-14 18:07                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:57                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:47               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-14 18:06                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-13 22:34         ` David Miller
2008-05-13 12:53 ` Remi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 13:46   ` Gerrit Renker [this message]

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