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From: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
To: "Rémi Denis-Courmont" <rdenis@simphalempin.com>,
	"David Stevens" <dlstevens@us.ibm.com>,
	"David Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	dccp@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [DCCP]: Deprecate SOCK_DCCP in favour of SOCK_DGRAM
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:53:44 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080513175344.GJ15306@ghostprotocols.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080513173454.GH15306@ghostprotocols.net>

Em Tue, May 13, 2008 at 02:34:54PM -0300, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo escreveu:
> Em Tue, May 13, 2008 at 08:06:34PM +0300, Rémi Denis-Courmont escreveu:
> > Le Tuesday 13 May 2008 19:59:35 David Stevens, vous avez écrit :
> > >         Well, SOCK_STREAM/IPPROTO_DCCP then. :-) But it isn't really that
> > > either, as Remi said.
> > >         If you do a connect() on a UDP socket, it doesn't cease to
> > > be a SOCK_DGRAM socket, so I don't really care about that distinction,
> > > but if others do, that's ok with me. There are ACKs here, too, so maybe.
> > 
> > But connect() is a _non-blocking_ operation which merely sets the _default_ 
> > destination (you can still sendto() someone else).
> > 
> > Using socket types blindly may also break applications using 
> > getsockopt(SO_TYPE), if they exists (I think I wrote one once...) to 
> > determine how to use a socket.
> > 
> > SOCK_DCCP was perhaps a bad idea, but SOCK_DGRAM seems worse. In the end, it's 
> > more a matter of patching libc getaddrinfo than changing the kernel API 
> > anyway. Did AIX not have a similar socket type as DCCP under a more generic 
> > name by the way?
> 
> /me feels Deja Vu :-)
> 
> Lemme dig the URL for the discussion where SOCK_DCCP was discussed and
> AIX was summoned, etc :-)

http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dccp/current/msg01540.html

While discussing with Nishida-san, the NetBSD DCCP guy.

- Arnaldo

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-13 17:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-13  7:28 [RFC] [DCCP]: Deprecate SOCK_DCCP in favour of SOCK_DGRAM Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13  7:39 ` David Miller
2008-05-13  9:37   ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 15:50     ` David Stevens
2008-05-13 16:23       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 16:59         ` David Stevens
2008-05-13 17:06           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 17:34             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:53               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo [this message]
2008-05-13 17:33           ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:03         ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 17:37           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 17:50             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 19:14             ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14  8:09               ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 14:06                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 14:45                   ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 16:06                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:22                       ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 17:43                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 18:00                           ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 17:39                       ` Sridhar Samudrala
2008-05-14 17:49                         ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-14 18:07                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:57                         ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:47               ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-14 18:06                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-13 22:34         ` David Miller
2008-05-13 12:53 ` Remi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 13:46   ` Gerrit Renker

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