From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: rusty@rustcorp.com.au
Cc: herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, mb@bu3sch.de,
johannes@sipsolutions.net, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, ron.rindjunsky@intel.com,
tomasw@gmail.com, ivdoorn@gmail.com,
peter.p.waskiewicz.jr@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mac80211: rewrite fragmentation code
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:58:23 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080515.215823.28841530.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200805161201.48835.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:01:48 +1000
> Dave, please allow me to ask a heretical question. Returning
> TX_BUSY has some appeal for virtio_net: is it fundamentally a flawed
> idea, or simply a matter of coding?
Allowing TX_BUSY adds a special case to the caller which we'd
like to remove at some point.
> Currently we have no virtio interface to ask how many descriptors are left;
> it's not clear that it's a fair question to ask, since for Xen it's depends
> on the actual buffers we're trying to put in the descirptors.
Two things:
1) You can always make sure that you have enough space for a
TSO frame, with arbitrary page boundaries and thus buffer
chopping.
It can even be estimated, and if violated by some corner case
you can punt and drop.
2) You can queue inside of the driver one packet when you hit
the limits unexpectedly, netif_stop_queue(), and return
success. Spit this packet out right before waking the
queue again.
Really, there are no hard reasons to ever return TX_BUSY,
it's always a bug.
In fact, I want to move things more and more towards the driver
queueing TX packets internally instead of the networking mid-layer.
That will ahve benefits for things like TX multiqueue, we won't
need any locking at all, nor have any knowledge about multiple
queues at all, if the driver takes care of providing the buffer
between what the kernel gives it and what the device can handle
at the moment.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-16 4:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-30 12:40 [RFC/RFT 0/4] mac80211 QoS-related enhancements Johannes Berg
2008-04-30 12:40 ` [RFC/RFT 1/4] mac80211: use rate index in TX control Johannes Berg
2008-04-30 12:40 ` [RFC/RFT 2/4] GSO: generalize for mac80211 Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <20080430130049.359549000-cdvu00un1VgdHxzADdlk8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-06 16:12 ` Johannes Berg
2008-04-30 12:40 ` [RFC/RFT 3/4] mac80211: use GSO for fragmentation Johannes Berg
2008-05-07 7:10 ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-07 8:50 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-07 9:00 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <20080507090040.GA25186-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-07 11:22 ` [PATCH] mac80211: rewrite fragmentation code Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <1210159339.5642.13.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-07 11:41 ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-07 11:52 ` Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <1210161133.5642.19.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-07 13:05 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <20080507130548.GA26977-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-07 13:48 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-08 3:22 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <20080508032208.GA401-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-08 3:26 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080507.202606.242037993.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-08 9:00 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-16 2:01 ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-16 3:28 ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-16 4:58 ` David Miller [this message]
[not found] ` <20080515.215823.28841530.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-16 10:32 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <200805162032.48469.rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-16 10:38 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-16 12:15 ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-16 19:40 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080516.124039.253626477.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-19 3:08 ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-19 7:03 ` David Miller
2008-05-08 13:00 ` Michael Buesch
[not found] ` <200805081500.00682.mb-fseUSCV1ubazQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-08 13:08 ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-08 13:13 ` Michael Buesch
2008-05-08 13:15 ` Michael Buesch
[not found] ` <200805081513.56521.mb-fseUSCV1ubazQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-08 13:32 ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-07 19:19 ` Johannes Berg
2008-04-30 12:40 ` [RFC/RFT 4/4] mac80211: use multi-queue master netdevice Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <20080430130051.397094000-cdvu00un1VgdHxzADdlk8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 14:37 ` Ivo van Doorn
[not found] ` <200804301637.35170.IvDoorn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 14:45 ` Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <1209566743.18659.30.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 15:00 ` Johannes Berg
[not found] ` <1209567609.18659.33.camel-YfaajirXv214zXjbi5bjpg@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 15:34 ` Ivo van Doorn
2008-04-30 15:38 ` Johannes Berg
2008-05-01 8:21 ` Ivo van Doorn
[not found] ` <200805011021.04435.IvDoorn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-01 8:54 ` Johannes Berg
2008-04-30 19:39 ` Waskiewicz Jr, Peter P
[not found] ` <D5C1322C3E673F459512FB59E0DDC32904FE144F-O6kdQIuPh0Q64kNsxIetb7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-30 20:07 ` Johannes Berg
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