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From: "Alejandro Riveira Fernández" <ariveira@gmail.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU>
Cc: Glen Turner <gdt@gdt.id.au>,
	Chris Peterson <cpeterso@cpeterso.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>,
	Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	"Kok, Auke" <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com>,
	Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>,
	"Brandeburg, Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses of IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:43:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080526154326.1fe44214@Varda> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080525232712.GF5970@mit.edu>

El Sun, 25 May 2008 19:27:12 -0400
Theodore Tso <tytso@MIT.EDU> escribió:

> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:39:49AM +0930, Glen Turner wrote:
> > 
> > For example, /dev/random has run out. So the output of /dev/urandom
> > is now determined by previous values of /dev/random.  I then send in
> > a stack of network packets at regular intervals. So the output of
> > /dev/urandom is now greatly determined by those packets.  My search
> > space for the resulting key is small since /dev/urandom appears to
> > be random, but in fact is periodic.
> 
> That's not how it works.  Basically, as long as there is *some*
> entropy in the system, even from the /var/lib/random-seed, or from
> keyboard interrupts, or from mouse interrupts, which is unknown to the
> attacker, in the worse case /dev/urandom will be no worse than a
> cryptographic random number generator.
> 
 [ ... ] 
 
 Just a shot in the dark... would hw sensors (raw data) chips be a good source
 of entropy for /dev/random ?? 

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-26 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-15  7:11 [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses of IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM Chris Peterson
2008-05-15 13:21 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 16:07   ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2008-05-15 16:39     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 18:14       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:47         ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-15 19:10           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:50         ` Rick Jones
2008-05-15 19:11           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 19:55         ` [PATCH] " Jeff Garzik
2008-05-16  0:27           ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-16  9:56             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 10:19               ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-16 12:12                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-16 16:25                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-17  1:01                     ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-17 10:59                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-17 19:54                         ` Chris Peterson
2008-05-17 20:05                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-18 10:13                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-18 11:26                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-18 12:57                                 ` Joe Korty
2008-05-18 17:53                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-25 15:26                                   ` Glen Turner
2008-05-19 12:29                                 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-05-18 10:08                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-22  9:28                     ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-16 13:20                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-16 16:20                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-16 19:47               ` David Miller
2008-05-16 23:28         ` Rick Jones
2008-05-15 18:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:17       ` Rick Jones
2008-05-15 18:31         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:47           ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-15 19:21             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 20:01               ` Chris Peterson
2008-05-15 20:16                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 20:39                   ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-15 21:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 21:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 22:29                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-15 22:44                       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 23:02                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-15 23:36                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 23:46                             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-15 23:33                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 23:58                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-16 13:21               ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 13:40                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-16 13:59                   ` Will Newton
2008-05-16 14:15                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 14:27                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-16 15:10                 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 17:36                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 18:11                     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 18:40                       ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-16 18:41                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 18:42                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 20:04                         ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 20:39                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 20:46                             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 20:34                       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-05-25 15:02                         ` Glen Turner
2008-05-25 19:33                           ` Benny Amorsen
2008-05-17  4:55                       ` Chris Peterson
2008-05-25 15:09                         ` Glen Turner
2008-05-25 23:27                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-26 13:43                             ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández [this message]
2008-05-26 15:14                               ` Bill Fink
2008-05-26 21:07                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-05-26 21:52                                   ` Bill Fink
2008-05-26 22:11                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2008-05-27 16:44                                 ` Rick Jones
2008-05-30 19:50                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-25 14:55             ` Glen Turner
     [not found]           ` <482C8550 <20080516161029.44ded734@core>
2008-05-16 20:08             ` Gilles Espinasse
2008-05-17 22:02               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-18  6:41                 ` [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses ofIRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM Gilles Espinasse
2008-05-18  9:54                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-18 12:02                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-18 12:24                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-18 14:43                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-15 21:55     ` [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses of IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM Adrian Bunk
2008-05-15 22:04       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 22:27         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 22:13       ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-15 22:34         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 22:57           ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-18  0:36       ` Matt Mackall
2008-05-15 22:42     ` Jeff Garzik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-04-10  5:29 Chris Peterson
2010-04-15  6:42 ` David Miller

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