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From: Evgeniy Polyakov <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Passive OS fingerprinting.
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:39:58 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080701133958.GA11317@2ka.mipt.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <486A31FF.8050201@garzik.org>

Hi Jeff.

On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 09:32:47AM -0400, Jeff Garzik (jeff@garzik.org) wrote:
> It sure would be nice for regular socket applications to have an easy, 
> unprivileged way to query the OS fingerprint information of a given socket.
> 
> Speaking purely from a userspace application API perspective, it would 
> be most useful for an app to be able to stop OSF collection, start OSF 
> collection, and query OSF stats.  start/stop would be a refcount that 
> disables in-kernel OSF when not in use.
> 
> To present a specific use case:  I would like to know if incoming SMTP 
> connections are Windows or not.  That permits me to better determine if 
> the incoming connection is a hijacked PC or not -- it becomes a useful 
> factor in spamassassin scoring.
> 
> In this case, incoming SMTP is -always- TCP, thus being a TCP-specific 
> module is not a problem.  You cover a huge swath of apps even if the 
> module is TCP-specific.
> 
> Another use case is validating whether a browser is "lying" about its 
> OS, when parsing HTTP user-agent info, or in general when any remote 
> agent is "lying" about its OS.  Security software can use that as an 
> additional red-flag factor.

It is possible right now in OSF: it sends a netlink notification to
userspace about received and matched packet. We can even think some more
about reverse channel - to inform kernel about some steps for this
match, it requires root priveledges though. It can also be done via
different channel (like running script to install iptables rule).

-- 
	Evgeniy Polyakov

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-01 13:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-01 11:39 Passive OS fingerprinting Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-01 11:53 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-01 12:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-01 12:35     ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-01 13:08       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-01 13:41         ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-01 14:14           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-01 14:16             ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-01 14:48               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-01 14:54                 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-01 14:26         ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-07-01 14:25           ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-01 13:32       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-01 13:35         ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-01 13:47           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-07-01 15:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-01 15:44             ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-01 13:39         ` Evgeniy Polyakov [this message]
2008-07-01 19:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-07-01 21:21   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]     ` <20080701224149.GA8449@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
2008-07-02  4:46       ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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