From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: billfink@mindspring.com
Cc: ilpo.jarvinen@helsinki.fi, fragabr@gmail.com,
thomas.jarosch@intra2net.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
kaber@trash.net, sr@securenet.de,
netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, kadlec@blackhole.kfki.hu
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tcp FRTO: in-order-only "TCP proxy" fragility workaround
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:41:03 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080811.144103.192682287.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080808004231.10dd7356.billfink@mindspring.com>
From: Bill Fink <billfink@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:42:31 -0400
> Since you suspect the problem is being caused by a broken middlebox,
> would it perhaps be a better approach to add a per-route option to
> allow disabling of FRTO for the given destination. This would be
> similar to Stephen Hemminger's fix for broken middleboxes that don't
> handle window scaling properly. It seems this would be better than
> modifying FRTO behavior for everyone else that is being compliant.
This is the kind of direction I'm leaning towards as well.
The behavior of these middleboxes borders on unbelievable. And there
comes a point where catering to these various busted boxes stops to
make sense. At some point we have to say "sorry, someone has to get
that box fixed."
You can't reorder packets like that, on purpose, and not expect some
new, yet reasonable, TCP algorithm to fall flat on it's face.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-08-11 21:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2008-07-07 13:18 ` TCP connection stalls under 2.6.24.7 Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-10 13:17 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2008-07-10 14:12 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-10 21:21 ` Jozsef Kadlecsik
2008-07-11 14:33 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-15 11:47 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-15 16:10 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-15 18:30 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-07-31 4:47 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-07-31 7:39 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-02 12:24 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-07-15 20:17 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-16 8:07 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-16 9:03 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-17 13:55 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-17 15:15 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-17 15:53 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-18 9:14 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-18 13:55 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-18 14:02 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-19 7:35 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-25 10:00 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-25 13:00 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-25 14:06 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-07-25 15:34 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-31 7:39 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-31 12:44 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-07-31 13:47 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-07-31 14:11 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-06 18:53 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-07 6:54 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-07 11:50 ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-07 12:11 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-08-07 12:14 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-07 12:23 ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-08 9:56 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-08 10:32 ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-07 11:33 ` [PATCH] tcp FRTO: in-order-only "TCP proxy" fragility workaround Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-08 4:42 ` Bill Fink
2008-08-08 10:32 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-11 21:44 ` David Miller
2008-08-12 7:46 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-08-12 8:18 ` David Miller
2008-08-12 17:43 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-12 17:52 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-13 17:53 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-13 18:34 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-15 4:34 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-15 7:06 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-15 21:35 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-15 22:06 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-15 23:57 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-16 2:15 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-16 7:10 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-16 19:18 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-17 0:36 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-19 10:38 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-20 0:34 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-20 7:57 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-20 12:37 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-22 21:32 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-22 21:37 ` David Miller
2008-08-23 14:14 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-23 14:38 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-24 19:38 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-26 14:10 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-26 14:32 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-26 17:18 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-26 20:40 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-26 21:17 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-27 10:22 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-27 19:51 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-27 20:32 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-27 20:50 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-27 21:25 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-27 21:42 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-27 22:24 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-28 21:49 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-29 13:07 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-29 17:41 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-01 7:11 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-30 6:56 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-01 7:11 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-09-07 8:17 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-08 10:27 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-09-08 20:20 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-11 13:44 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-09-11 17:30 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-12 10:16 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-09-13 23:31 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-16 12:10 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-09-16 14:24 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-17 10:23 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-09-18 20:35 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-18 21:04 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-09-21 3:02 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-22 4:23 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-22 11:22 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-09-22 16:13 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-15 19:42 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-09-11 18:12 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-15 21:59 ` Dâniel Fraga
2008-08-13 8:00 ` Thomas Jarosch
2008-08-22 21:18 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-11 21:41 ` David Miller [this message]
2008-08-25 16:45 Thomas Jarosch
2008-08-26 12:03 ` Ilpo Järvinen
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