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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Joe Malicki <jmalicki@metacarta.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru, dada1@cosmosbay.com, denys@visp.net.lb,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	juhlenko@akamai.com, sammy@sammy.net
Subject: Re: loaded router, excessive getnstimeofday in oprofile
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:30:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080829153036.GV26610@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <32566205.1357331220023286187.JavaMail.root@ouachita>

> That adds variance, and packets aren't comparable because they may
> suffer different kernel/hardware delays.

And there are no "different kernel/hardware delays" in the network?

If your RTT measurement method cannot handle some variance (using
standard sampling and data smoothing techniques similar to TCP) then it 
just needs to be fixed.

Besides measuring in the interrupt handler doesn't protect you
against local variances anyways because the interrupt timing has variability
(e.g due to irq off regions or due to interrupt mitigation or
higher priority interrupts) too

> > Yes, but why ignore local scheduling delays? 
> 
> Because one would want to ignore even network scheduling delays
> if possible... unfortunately in some instances it's not.

The local delays add to the user experience too.
It's unclear why you want to ignore those.

-Andi

-- 
ak@linux.intel.com


  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-29 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-22  1:57 loaded router, excessive getnstimeofday in oprofile Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-22  2:23 ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-26  9:51 ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-08-26 10:29   ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-26 10:47     ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-08-26 10:49       ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-26 11:07         ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-08-26 11:15           ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-08-26 11:16             ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-26 11:32               ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-08-26 11:32                 ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-26 20:14 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-08-26 20:44   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-08-26 20:51     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-08-27 12:09       ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-27 12:36         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-08-27 14:00           ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-27 14:23             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-08-27 12:54       ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-27 16:07         ` Rick Jones
2008-08-27 16:27           ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-27 16:49             ` Rick Jones
2008-08-27 16:56               ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-27 16:57                 ` Rick Jones
2008-08-27 17:27                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-08-27 18:32                   ` loaded router, excessive getnstimeofday in oprofile\ Andi Kleen
2008-08-27 22:23                     ` David Miller
2008-08-27 22:38                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-27 22:18             ` loaded router, excessive getnstimeofday in oprofile David Miller
2008-08-27 22:39               ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28  0:45                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-28  0:48                   ` David Miller
2008-08-28  1:07                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-27 16:17         ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-08-27 17:14           ` Jarek Poplawski
2008-08-27 21:34         ` David Miller
2008-08-28  2:39           ` Jason Uhlenkott
2008-08-28  3:10             ` David Miller
2008-08-28  6:28               ` Joe Malicki
2008-08-28  7:22                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28 15:02                   ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-28 19:01                     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-08-28 19:31                     ` David Miller
2008-08-28 16:48                   ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-28 16:56                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-28 18:57                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-08-28 19:25                       ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-28 19:37                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-08-28 19:55                           ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-29 15:43                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-08-28 19:36                     ` David Miller
2008-08-28 19:59                       ` Denys Fedoryshchenko
2008-08-29 15:21                   ` Joe Malicki
2008-08-29 15:30                     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-08-29 15:43                       ` Joe Malicki
2008-08-29 20:43                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-08-28 18:00                 ` Rick Jones
2008-08-28 19:42                   ` David Miller
2008-08-28 20:29                     ` Rick Jones
2008-08-28 20:32                       ` David Miller
2008-08-28 20:45                         ` Rick Jones
2008-08-28 20:47                           ` David Miller
2008-09-01  2:39                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-01  3:51                     ` David Miller
2008-09-01  4:08                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-01  4:10                         ` David Miller
2008-09-02 17:04                       ` Rick Jones
2008-08-28  3:35 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-08-28  8:49   ` Denys Fedoryshchenko

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