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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: "Rémi Denis-Courmont" <rdenis@simphalempin.com>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] add a sysctl to disable TCP simultaneous connection opening
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 23:42:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081009214224.GD21013@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200810091921.04230.rdenis@simphalempin.com>

On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:21:03PM +0300, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
> Le mercredi 8 octobre 2008 14:54:02 Stephen Hemminger, vous avez écrit :
> > Does this break NAT traversal via STUNT used by applications like Skype?
> 
> This will break the main ICE-TCP mechanism (IETF draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-tcp).
> I am not aware of any application using this _as_of_now_. Probably too many 
> NAT and firewall implementations will reject it already. And then, some TCP 
> stacks reportedly do not support it (e.g. Windows before Vista).

And opening this through firewalls would be too much dangerous as it would
allow servers to reconnect outside, pretty much defeating the initial purpose
of the firewall.

> On the other hand, if someone were to tunnel/encapsulate TCP over UDP, this 
> could actually be useful - think about peer-to-peer NATted-to-NATted file 
> transfers for instance.

This is already possible using netcat. You can force both ports. It has no
flow control but would be enough to chat or transfer small config files.

Willy


  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-09 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-08  8:11 [PATCH] add a sysctl to disable TCP simultaneous connection opening Willy Tarreau
     [not found] ` <20081008081109.GA25342-K+wRfnb2/UA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-08  9:19   ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-10-08 11:54 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-08 12:10   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-09 16:21   ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-10-09 21:42     ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2008-10-10  7:59       ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-10-10  8:10         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-10  8:44           ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-10-10  8:57             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-08 12:16 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-10-08 12:26   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-08 12:32     ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-10-08 12:56       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-08 15:50 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-10-08 16:04   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-08 16:42 ` David Miller
2008-10-08 17:07   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-08 18:21     ` David Miller
2008-10-08 18:24       ` Willy Tarreau
2008-10-09  3:49 ` Andi Kleen

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