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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	rjw@sisk.pl, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	s0mbre@tservice.net.ru, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tbench regression fixes]: digging out smelly deadmen.
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:11:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081026021153.47878580.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1225011648.27415.4.camel@twins>

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:00:48 +0100 Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:

> On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 09:46 +0100, Mike Galbraith wrote: 
> > On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 01:10 +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, David Miller wrote:
> > > 
> > > > But note that tbench performance improved a bit in 2.6.25.
> > > > In my tests I noticed a similar effect, but from 2.6.23 to 2.6.24,
> > > > weird.
> > > > Just for the public record here are the numbers I got in my testing.
> > > 
> > > I have been currently looking at very similarly looking issue. For the 
> > > public record, here are the numbers we have been able to come up with so 
> > > far (measured with dbench, so the absolute values are slightly different, 
> > > but still shows similar pattern)
> > > 
> > > 208.4 MB/sec  -- vanilla 2.6.16.60
> > > 201.6 MB/sec  -- vanilla 2.6.20.1
> > > 172.9 MB/sec  -- vanilla 2.6.22.19
> > > 74.2 MB/sec   -- vanilla 2.6.23
> > >  46.1 MB/sec  -- vanilla 2.6.24.2
> > >  30.6 MB/sec  -- vanilla 2.6.26.1
> > > 
> > > I.e. huge drop for 2.6.23 (this was with default configs for each 
> > > respective kernel).

Was this when we decreased the default value of
/proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio, perhaps?  dbench is sensitive to that.

> > > 2.6.23-rc1 shows 80.5 MB/s, i.e. a few % better than final 2.6.23, but 
> > > still pretty bad. 
> > > 
> > > I have gone through the commits that went into -rc1 and tried to figure 
> > > out which one could be responsible. Here are the numbers:
> > > 
> > >  85.3 MB/s for 2ba2d00363 (just before on-deman readahead has been merged)
> > >  82.7 MB/s for 45426812d6 (before cond_resched() has been added into page 
> > > 187.7 MB/s for c1e4fe711a4 (just before CFS scheduler has been merged)
> > >                            invalidation code)
> > > 
> > > So the current bigest suspect is CFS, but I don't have enough numbers yet 
> > > to be able to point a finger to it with 100% certainity. Hopefully soon.
> 
> > I reproduced this on my Q6600 box.  However, I also reproduced it with
> > 2.6.22.19.  What I think you're seeing is just dbench creating a
> > massive train wreck. 
> 
> wasn't dbench one of those non-benchmarks that thrives on randomness and
> unfairness?
> 
> Andrew said recently:
>   "dbench is pretty chaotic and it could be that a good change causes
> dbench to get worse.  That's happened plenty of times in the past."
> 
> So I'm not inclined to worry too much about dbench in any way shape or
> form.

Well.  If there is a consistent change in dbench throughput, it is
important that we at least understand the reasons for it.  But we
don't necessarily want to optimise for dbench throughput.


  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-26  9:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-09 23:17 [tbench regression fixes]: digging out smelly deadmen Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10  5:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-10  8:09 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10  9:15   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 11:31     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10 11:40       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 13:25         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10 11:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-10 11:55         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-10 11:57           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-24 22:25             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-24 23:31               ` David Miller
2008-10-25  4:05                 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  5:15                   ` David Miller
2008-10-25  5:53                     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25 11:13                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-26  3:55                   ` David Miller
2008-10-26 11:33                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-10-25  3:37               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  5:16                 ` David Miller
2008-10-25  5:58                   ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  6:53                     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  7:24                       ` David Miller
2008-10-25  7:52                         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25 23:10                         ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-26  8:46                           ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-26  9:00                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-26  9:11                               ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-10-26  9:27                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-26  9:34                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-10-26 10:05                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-27  2:34                                       ` David Miller
2008-10-27  9:30                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-27  9:57                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-26 10:23                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-26 19:03                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-27  9:29                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 10:42                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-27 11:27                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-27 11:33                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-10-27 12:06                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 13:42                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2008-10-27 14:17                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 18:33                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-27 19:39                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-27 19:48                                             ` David Miller
2008-10-28 10:24                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-28 10:37                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-28 10:57                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-28 11:02                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-28 14:00                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-28 15:22                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-29  9:14                                                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-29  9:50                                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-01 12:51                                                       ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2008-10-29  9:59                                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-10-26  9:15                               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-25  7:19                     ` David Miller
2008-10-25  7:33                       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 17:26                         ` Rick Jones
2008-10-27 19:11                           ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-27 19:18                             ` Rick Jones
2008-10-27 19:44                               ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-26 11:29               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-26 12:23                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-30 18:15                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-30 18:40                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-30 18:43                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 18:56                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 19:01                     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31  7:52                       ` David Miller
2008-10-31  9:40                         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31  9:51                           ` David Miller
2008-10-31 10:42                             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31 10:45                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 11:01                               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31 11:10                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 11:15                                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-10-31 19:57                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-31 20:10                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-31 21:03                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 21:18                                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-31 23:51                                     ` David Miller
2008-10-31 23:56                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-11-01  0:16                                         ` Jay Vosburgh
2008-11-02  4:40                                           ` David Miller
2008-11-04  2:13                                             ` [PATCH net-next-2.6] bonding, net: Move last_rx update into bonding recv logic Jay Vosburgh
2008-11-04  2:17                                               ` David Miller
2008-10-10 10:13 ` [tbench regression fixes]: digging out smelly deadmen Mike Galbraith
2008-10-11 13:13   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-11 14:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-11 18:13       ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-12  6:02         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-10-12  6:33           ` Mike Galbraith

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