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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Cc: Corey Minyard <minyard@acm.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	shemminger@vyatta.com, benny+usenet@amorsen.dk,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru,
	Christian Bell <christian@myri.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets.
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:17:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081029201759.GF6732@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4908C0CD.5050406@cosmosbay.com>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:00:13PM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:28:15PM -0500, Corey Minyard wrote:
>>> Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>>> Corey Minyard a écrit :
>>>>> Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:09:53PM +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Corey Minyard a écrit :
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>> Eric Dumazet wrote:
>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>> Corey Minyard found a race added in commit 
>>>>>>>>> 271b72c7fa82c2c7a795bc16896149933110672d
>>>>>>>>> (udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "If the socket is moved from one list to another list in-between 
>>>>>>>>> the time  the hash is calculated and the next field is accessed, 
>>>>>>>>> and the socket  has moved to the end of the new list, the traversal 
>>>>>>>>> will not complete  properly on the list it should have, since the 
>>>>>>>>> socket will be on the end  of the new list and there's not a way to 
>>>>>>>>> tell it's on a new list and  restart the list traversal.  I think 
>>>>>>>>> that this can be solved by  pre-fetching the "next" field (with 
>>>>>>>>> proper barriers) before checking the  hash."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This patch corrects this problem, introducing a new 
>>>>>>>>> sk_for_each_rcu_safenext()
>>>>>>>>> macro.
>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>> You also need the appropriate smp_wmb() in udp_lib_get_port() after 
>>>>>>>> sk_hash is set, I think, so the next field is guaranteed to be 
>>>>>>>> changed after the hash value is changed.
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>> Not sure about this one Corey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If a reader catches previous value of item->sk_hash, two cases are to 
>>>>>>> be taken into :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) its udp_hashfn(net, sk->sk_hash) is != hash   -> goto begin : 
>>>>>>> Reader will redo its scan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) its udp_hashfn(net, sk->sk_hash) is == hash
>>>>>>>  -> next pointer is good enough : it points to next item in same hash 
>>>>>>> chain.
>>>>>>>     No need to rescan the chain at this point.
>>>>>>>     Yes we could miss the fact that a new port was bound and this UDP 
>>>>>>> message could be lost.
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>> 3) its udp_hashfn(net, sk-sk_hash) is == hash, but only because it was
>>>>>> removed, freed, reallocated, and then readded with the same hash 
>>>>>> value,
>>>>>> possibly carrying the reader to a new position in the same list.
>>>>>>   
>>>>> If I understand this, without the smp_wmb(), it is possible that the 
>>>>> next field can be written to main memory before the hash value is 
>>>>> written.  If that happens, the following can occur:
>>>>>
>>>>>  CPU1                    CPU2
>>>>>  next is set to NULL (end of new list)
>>>> Well, if this item is injected to the same chain, next wont be set to 
>>>> NULL.
>>>>
>>>> That would mean previous writers deleted all items from the chain.
>>> I put my comment in the wrong place, I wasn't talking about being 
>>> injected into the same chain.
>>>
>>>> In this case, readers can see NULL, it is not a problem at all.
>>>> List is/was empty.
>>>> An application cannot complain a packet is not
>>>> handled if its bind() syscall is not yet completed :)
>>>>
>>>> If item is injected on another chain, we will detect hash mismatch and 
>>>> redo full scan.
>>> If the item is injected onto the end of another chain, the next field 
>>> will be NULL and you won't detect a hash mismatch.  It's basically the 
>>> same issue as the previous race, though a lot more subtle and unlikely.  
>>> If you get (from the previous socket) an old value of "sk_hash" and (from 
>>> the new socket) a new value of "next" that is NULL, you will terminate 
>>> the loop when you should have restarted it.  I'm pretty sure that can 
>>> occur without the write barrier.
>> One way of dealing with this is to keep a tail pointer.  Then, if the
>> element containing the NULL pointer doesn't match the tail pointer seen
>> at the start of the search, or if the tail pointer has changed,
>> restart the search.  Memory barriers will be needed.  ;-)
>
> Hum... Another way of handling all those cases and avoid memory barriers
> would be to have different "NULL" pointers.
>
> Each hash chain should have a unique "NULL" pointer (in the case of UDP, it
> can be the 128 values : [ (void*)0 .. (void *)127 ]
>
> Then, when performing a lookup, a reader should check the "NULL" pointer
> it get at the end of its lookup has is the "hash" value of its chain.
>
> If not -> restart the loop, aka "goto begin;" :)
>
> We could avoid memory barriers then.
>
> In the two cases Corey mentioned, this trick could let us avoid memory 
> barriers.
> (existing one in sk_add_node_rcu(sk, &hslot->head); should be enough)
>
> What do you think ?

Kinky!!!  ;-)

Then the rcu_dereference() would be supplying the needed memory barriers.

Hmmm...  I guess that the only confusion would be if the element got
removed and then added to the same list.  But then if its pointer was
pseudo-NULL, then that would mean that all subsequent elements had been
removed, and all preceding ones added after the scan started.

Which might well be harmless, but I must defer to you on this one at
the moment.

If you need a larger hash table, another approach would be to set the
pointer's low-order bit, allowing the upper bits to be a full-sized
index -- or even a pointer to the list header.  Just make very sure
to clear the pointer when freeing, or an element on the freelist
could end up looking like a legitimate end of list...  Which again
might well be safe, but why inflict this on oneself?

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-29 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-06 18:50 [PATCH 3/3] Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Corey Minyard
2008-10-06 21:22 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-06 21:40   ` David Miller
2008-10-06 23:08     ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07  8:37       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:16         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:29           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-07 14:38             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:33           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:45             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 15:07               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:07               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07  5:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07  8:54       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-10-07 12:59         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 14:07           ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-07 20:55             ` David Miller
2008-10-07 21:20               ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-08 13:55               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 18:45                 ` David Miller
2008-10-28 20:37                   ` [PATCH 1/2] udp: introduce struct udp_table and multiple rwlocks Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:23                     ` Christian Bell
2008-10-28 21:31                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 21:48                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-10-28 20:42                   ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 22:45                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  5:05                       ` David Miller
2008-10-29  8:23                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  8:56                           ` David Miller
2008-10-29 10:19                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:19                               ` David Miller
2008-10-29  9:04                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29  9:17                             ` David Miller
2008-10-29 13:17                             ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 14:36                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 15:34                                 ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 16:09                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 16:37                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:22                                       ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 17:45                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:28                                           ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 18:52                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 20:00                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 20:17                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2008-10-29 21:29                                                   ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-29 21:57                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 21:58                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 22:08                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  3:22                                                     ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-30  5:50                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-02  4:19                                                         ` David Miller
2008-10-30  5:40                                                     ` David Miller
2008-10-30  5:51                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  7:04                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30  7:05                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 15:40                                                     ` [PATCH] udp: Introduce special NULL pointers for hlist termination Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 15:51                                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-30 16:28                                                         ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-31 14:37                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31 14:55                                                             ` Pavel Emelyanov
2008-11-02  4:22                                                               ` David Miller
2008-10-30 17:12                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-31  7:51                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 16:01                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-31  0:14                                                       ` Keith Owens
2008-11-13 13:13                                                       ` [PATCH 0/3] net: RCU lookups for UDP, DCCP and TCP protocol Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 17:20                                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-17  3:41                                                         ` David Miller
2008-11-19 19:52                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 13:14                                                       ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:29                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:44                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 16:02                                                             ` [PATCH 4/3] rcu: documents rculist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-14 15:16                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-17  3:36                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-11-19 17:07                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-14 15:16                                                         ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu: Introduce hlist_nulls variant of hlist Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-19 17:01                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 18:46                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 18:53                                                               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-11-19 21:17                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 20:39                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 21:21                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-13 13:15                                                       ` [PATCH 2/3] udp: Use hlist_nulls in UDP RCU code Eric Dumazet
2008-11-19 17:29                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-19 17:53                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:15                                                       ` [PATCH 3/3] net: Convert TCP & DCCP hash tables to use RCU / hlist_nulls Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 13:34                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 13:51                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-13 14:08                                                             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-13 14:22                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-11-13 14:27                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-11-19 17:53                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23  9:33                                                         ` [PATCH] net: Convert TCP/DCCP listening hash tables to use RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 15:59                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 18:42                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 19:17                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-23 20:18                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-23 22:33                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-11-24  1:23                                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:04                                                 ` [PATCH 2/2] udp: RCU handling for Unicast packets Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:30                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-30 18:25                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-31 16:40                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-11-01  3:10                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 17:32                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:11                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:29                                           ` David Miller
2008-10-29 18:38                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-29 18:36                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-29 18:20                                 ` David Miller
2008-10-30 11:12                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-30 11:29                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 20:37                 ` [PATCH 0/2] udp: Convert the UDP hash lock to RCU Eric Dumazet
2008-10-28 21:28                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-10-28 21:50                     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 16:43           ` [PATCH 3/3] " Corey Minyard
2008-10-07 18:26       ` David Miller
2008-10-08  8:35         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-08 16:38           ` David Miller
2008-10-07  8:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 14:36       ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 18:29       ` David Miller
2008-10-06 22:07   ` Corey Minyard
2008-10-07  8:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07  9:24     ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 14:15       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-10-07 14:38         ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 14:50         ` Eric Dumazet
2008-10-07 15:05           ` Paul E. McKenney
2008-10-07 15:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-10-07 15:23           ` Christoph Lameter

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