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From: Inaky Perez-Gonzalez <inaky@linux.intel.com>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/39] wimax: declarations for the in-kernel WiMAX API
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:11:35 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200812041211.35488.inaky@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1228381470.3197.22.camel@Friederike-PC.hoffi>

On Thursday 04 December 2008, Johannes Berg wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 18:07 -0800, Inaky Perez-Gonzalez wrote:
> > On Thursday 27 November 2008, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > > Why bother versioning the API? Since this is generic netlink, and
> > > things are looked up by the family name, a completely new version would
> > > just use a new family name and be done with it, old userspace won't
> > > even _find_ that new "version" of the API.
> >
> > That'd be a way to do majors -- hadn't thought about it.
> >
> > But then, it forces a way to create "a way to grok versions" in the
> > family name, which is moving the problem from one place to the other.
> >
> > Because parsing in the family means having to set a protocol and
> > parsing ASCII, I'd say it's easier to use the family's version field,
> > as it is available.
>
> I wasn't actually advocating parsing the family name, but thinking that
> if you were to actually do a major revision then you'd be rewriting all
> the userland code anyway and could just hardcode a new family name
> there.

Well, if the change were *that* big, then yes, that makes full sense. 
I hope we don't have to go that route...at least too often :)

> > > The "minor version" seems also
> > > useless, either you can do the change in a backward compatible way or
> > > you cannot and need to provide compat code.
> >
> > No it is not -- you are missing the case of adding an API
> > call/signal. Addition doesn't break backwards compatibility, yet a
> > user that requires the addition has to double check it is
> > available.
>
> No! API additions can always be discovered through the genl controller,
> it supports listing which operations are available. Check out the genl
> command from iproute2.

Oh, then this can be used too -- I mean, one does not preclude the other.

-- 
Inaky

  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-04 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-26 22:40 [PATCH 00/39] merge request for WiMAX kernel stack and i2400m driver v2 Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 01/39] wimax: documentation for the stack Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:29   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:07     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 02/39] wimax: declarations for the in-kernel WiMAX API Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:32   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:07     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-12-04  9:04       ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-04 20:11         ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez [this message]
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 03/39] wimax: constants and definitions to interact with user space Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:41   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:06     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 04/39] wimax: internal API for the kernel space WiMAX stack Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:43   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:07     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-12-04  9:02       ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-04 19:22         ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 05/39] wimax: debug macros and debug settings for the " Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:28   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:07     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 06/39] genetlink: export genl_unregister_mc_group() Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 23:07   ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 07/39] wimax: generic WiMAX device management (registration, deregistration, etc) Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27 10:40   ` Patrick McHardy
2008-12-03  2:06     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-12-04 13:02       ` Patrick McHardy
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 08/39] wimax: Mappping of generic netlink family IDs to net devices Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:47   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:06     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 09/39] wimax: provides user space with information needed when opening a WiMAX device Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:53   ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-27 12:20     ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:06     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27 10:44   ` Patrick McHardy
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 10/39] wimax: Generic messaging interface between user space and driver/device Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:55   ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-27 12:35   ` Thomas Graf
2008-12-03  2:02     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 11/39] wimax: RF-kill framework integration Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:56   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:03     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 12/39] wimax: API call to reset a WiMAX device Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:58   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:05     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 13/39] wimax: Makefile, Kconfig and docbook linkage for the stack Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 14/39] i2400m: documentation and instructions for usage Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27 10:01   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:06     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 15/39] i2400m: host-to-device protocol definitions Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27 10:04   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:06     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 16/39] i2400m: core driver definitions and API Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 17/39] i2400m: Generic probe/disconnect, reset and message passing Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 18/39] i2400m: linkage to the networking stack Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 19/39] i2400m: sysfs controls Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  9:23   ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 20/39] i2400m: rfkill integration with the WiMAX stack Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 21/39] i2400m: firmware loading and bootrom initialization Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 22/39] i2400m: handling of the data/control reception path Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 23/39] i2400m: handling of the data/control transmission path Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 24/39] i2400m: various functions for device management Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 25/39] i2400m/USB: header for the USB bus driver Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 26/39] i2400m/USB: error density tracking Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 27/39] i2400m/USB: main probe/disconnect and backend routines Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 28/39] i2400m/USB: firmware upload backend Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 29/39] i2400m/USB: handling of notifications from the device Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 30/39] i2400m/USB: read transactions from the USB device Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 31/39] i2400m/USB: write transactions to " Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 32/39] i2400m/SDIO: header for the SDIO subdriver Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 33/39] i2400m/SDIO: main probe/disconnect and backend routines Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 34/39] i2400m/SDIO: firmware upload backend Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 35/39] i2400m/SDIO: read transactions from the SDIO device Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 36/39] i2400m/SDIO: write transactions to " Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 37/39] i2400m: Makefile and Kconfig Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 38/39] wimax: export linux/wimax.h and linux/wimax/i2400m.h with headers_install Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26 22:40 ` [PATCH 39/39] wimax/i2400m: add CREDITS and MAINTAINERS entries Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27  8:17 ` [PATCH 00/39] merge request for WiMAX kernel stack and i2400m driver v2 David Miller
2008-11-27  9:24   ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-27 10:18 ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2008-11-27 10:41   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-11-27 10:54 ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-27 11:14   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-11-27 11:23     ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-30  4:05       ` Dan Williams
2008-11-27 11:47     ` Andi Kleen
2008-11-27 11:50       ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-27 16:51   ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-12-03  2:07   ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-12-03 23:03     ` Dan Williams
2008-12-04  9:00     ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-04 19:21       ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-12-04 23:09         ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-03  2:10 ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-12-04  9:01   ` Johannes Berg
2008-12-04 13:37     ` Marcel Holtmann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-11-26  7:38 Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-26  7:38 ` [PATCH 02/39] wimax: declarations for the in-kernel WiMAX API Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-24 21:50 [PATCH 00/39] merge request for WiMAX kernel stack and i2400m driver Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-24 21:50 ` [PATCH 02/39] wimax: declarations for the in-kernel WiMAX API Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-24 22:33   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-11-24 23:43     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-11-25  0:12       ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-11-25  0:36         ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez

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