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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jeff Chua <jeff.chua.linux@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kernel Testers List <kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>
Subject: Re: 2.6.29-rc8: Reported regressions from 2.6.28
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:26:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090315202603.GA9077@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1237143683.24621.7.camel@johannes.local>


* Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 11:44 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> > Johannes - "not believable" is simply not an argument. If 
> > Jeff can show a difference, then your disbelief is totally 
> > irrelevant, and clearly shows that you are basing your 
> > beliefs on incorrect assumptions (like some specific version 
> > of firmware that isn't the whole story).
> 
> Linus, Jeff is totally unbelievable here -- I just realised 
> that the commit he quotes doesn't even change the driver he's 
> working with.

Even if so (bisection is very hard and error-prone) why do you 
shape your reaction to it as a personal attack? Why do you say 
"Jeff is totally unbelievable" - why dont you say something more 
amicable like:

 " Hm, that's weird - that commit does not even seem to affect 
   the driver you are working with. Could you please re-check 
   the final bits of the bisection to make sure you got the 
   right commit ID? "

Instead of this irritated-sounding attack tone you are using. 
It's not helpful. Testers are there to help you, not to annoy 
you. If they annoy you then you are in the wrong business.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-15 20:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-14 19:01 2.6.29-rc8: Reported regressions from 2.6.28 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-14 19:05 ` [Bug #12805] QinQ vlan trunking regression Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-14 22:04   ` David Miller
     [not found]     ` <20090314.150420.149174658.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-14 22:26       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-15  2:58 ` 2.6.29-rc8: Reported regressions from 2.6.28 Jeff Chua
2009-03-15  3:06   ` Jeff Chua
     [not found]     ` <b6a2187b0903142006u546fad9eme66f9ea7b464b81f-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-15 10:41       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-03-15 18:11       ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]         ` <1237140665.24621.2.camel-YfaajirXv2244ywRPIzf9A@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-15 18:44           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]             ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903151136310.3131-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-15 19:01               ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-15 20:26                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-03-16 13:24                   ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-16 19:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903161250080.3082-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-16 23:55                         ` Jeff Chua
     [not found]                           ` <b6a2187b0903161655q15437156qc926c8db37d8ba4b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-17  7:50                             ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                               ` <1237276212.18086.11.camel-YfaajirXv2244ywRPIzf9A@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-17 17:21                                 ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-17 14:48                             ` John W. Linville
     [not found]                               ` <20090317144802.GF3549-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-17 15:28                                 ` John W. Linville
2009-03-17 15:39                                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]                                     ` <20090317153924.GA21061-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-17 16:05                                       ` John W. Linville
2009-03-17 16:24                                         ` Jeff Chua
     [not found]                                           ` <b6a2187b0903170924u72723220x4c0a717e3cfebf8d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-17 17:10                                             ` John W. Linville
     [not found]                                               ` <20090317171047.GF6737-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-17 17:27                                                 ` Jeff Chua
     [not found]                                                   ` <b6a2187b0903171027w328f1dfds781910c0571b2424-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-17 17:31                                                     ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-17 18:26                                                       ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-17 19:22                     ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                       ` <1237317742.31814.28.camel-YfaajirXv2244ywRPIzf9A@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-19  2:58                         ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-19  3:25                           ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-19  4:23                             ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-19 16:59                               ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-20 17:19                                 ` Jeff Chua
     [not found]                           ` <b6a2187b0903181958ke11abe7tdcbc4efeb950954d-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-19  4:49                             ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-19  9:38                               ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-19 14:13                                 ` John W. Linville
2009-03-19 15:02                                   ` Required sequence to set wireless parameters? (was: 2.6.29-rc8: Reported regressions from 2.6.28) Frans Pop
2009-03-19 15:24                                     ` John W. Linville
2009-03-19 16:45                                       ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-19 16:53                                     ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-19 19:24                                       ` Required sequence to set wireless parameters? Frans Pop
     [not found]                                         ` <200903192024.30562.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-19 19:27                                           ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                 ` <1237455534.5100.56.camel-YfaajirXv2244ywRPIzf9A@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-20  4:55                                   ` 2.6.29-rc8: Reported regressions from 2.6.28 Jeff Chua
2009-03-20  5:20                                     ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-20  8:32                                     ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                       ` <1237537967.5100.135.camel-YfaajirXv2244ywRPIzf9A@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-20 10:04                                         ` Jeff Chua
2009-03-20 10:13                                           ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-20 16:14                                             ` Jeff Chua
     [not found]                                               ` <b6a2187b0903200914r23d635c9obc55b30b7cc04382-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-21 12:09                                                 ` Johannes Berg
     [not found]                                                   ` <1237637375.5100.178.camel-YfaajirXv2244ywRPIzf9A@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-21 15:08                                                     ` Jeff Chua
     [not found]                                                       ` <b6a2187b0903210808m7586fdc2g53e72aa269d6e353-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-21 15:11                                                         ` Johannes Berg
2009-03-16  1:02 ` Zhang Rui

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