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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: vernux@us.ibm.com
Cc: andi@firstfloor.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: High contention on the sk_buff_head.lock
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:02:27 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090318.180227.256169134.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C16C5D.5090306@us.ibm.com>

From: Vernon Mauery <vernux@us.ibm.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:49:17 -0700

> Yes, the double context switches surely hurt the temporal and
> spatial locality of the vanilla codepath, but it also induces a
> longer penalty for blocking on a lock -- instead of a nanoseconds
> or a few microseconds, the task gets delayed for tens of
> microseconds.  So really, the -rt kernel has more to fix than
> the vanilla kernel in this case, but any improvement in the lock
> contention in the vanilla case would be magnified and would cause
> dramatic improvements in the -rt kernel.

Contention on a shared resource is not implicitly bad.

And with upstream spinlocks the cost is relatively low for a case like
this where a thread of control goes in and only holds the lock for
long enough to unlink a packet from the list and immediately the lock
is released.

The cost should be, cache line move from cpu-to-cpu, atomic lock,
linked list unlink, a store, and a memory barrier.  And that's
all it is upstream.

If the -rt kernel makes this 10 times more expensive, I really don't
see why that is an upstream concern at the current point in time.

That's the tradeoff, common situations where locks are held by
multiple threads with contention, but only for mere cycles, are
seemingly a lot more expensive in the -rt kernel.

I mean, for example, why doesn't the -rt kernel just spin for a little
while like a normal spinlock would instead of always entering that
expensive contended code path?  It would be a huge win here, but I
have yet to see discussion of changes in that area of the -rt kernel
to combat these effects.  Is it the networking that always has to
change for the sake of -rt? :-)

  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-19  1:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-18 17:24 High contention on the sk_buff_head.lock Vernon Mauery
2009-03-18 19:07 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-18 20:17   ` Vernon Mauery
2009-03-20 23:29     ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-03-23  8:32       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-23  8:37         ` David Miller
2009-03-23  8:50           ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-02 14:13           ` Herbert Xu
2009-04-02 14:15             ` Herbert Xu
2009-03-18 20:54 ` Andi Kleen
2009-03-18 21:03   ` David Miller
2009-03-18 21:10     ` Vernon Mauery
2009-03-18 21:38       ` David Miller
2009-03-18 21:49         ` Vernon Mauery
2009-03-19  1:02           ` David Miller [this message]
2009-03-18 21:54         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-19  1:03           ` David Miller
2009-03-19  1:13             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-03-19  1:17               ` David Miller
2009-03-19  1:43                 ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-03-19  1:54                   ` David Miller
2009-03-19  5:49                     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-19  5:58                       ` David Miller
2009-03-19 14:04                         ` [PATCH] net: reorder struct Qdisc for better SMP performance Eric Dumazet
2009-03-20  8:33                           ` David Miller
2009-03-19 13:45                   ` High contention on the sk_buff_head.lock Andi Kleen
2009-03-19  3:48             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-19  5:38               ` David Miller
2009-03-19 12:42                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-03-19 20:52                   ` David Miller
2009-03-19 12:50             ` Peter W. Morreale
2009-03-19  7:15           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-03-18 21:07   ` Vernon Mauery
2009-03-18 21:45     ` Eilon Greenstein
2009-03-18 21:51       ` Vernon Mauery
2009-03-18 21:59         ` Andi Kleen
2009-03-18 22:19           ` Rick Jones
2009-03-19 12:59   ` Peter W. Morreale
2009-03-19 13:36     ` Peter W. Morreale
2009-03-19 13:46     ` Andi Kleen

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