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From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	kaber@trash.net, jeff.chua.linux@gmail.com, mingo@elte.hu,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, jengelh@medozas.de, r000n@r000n.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, benh@kernel.crashing.org,
	mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca
Subject: Re: [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v11)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:43:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090421094350.1e00207a@nehalam> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0904210831560.2199@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:13:52 -0700 (PDT)
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> 
> Ok, so others already pointed out how dangerous/buggy this looks, but I'd 
> like to strengthen that a bit more:
> 
> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> > +
> > +/**
> > + * xt_table_info_rdlock_bh - recursive read lock for xt table info
> > + *
> > + * Table processing calls this to hold off any changes to table
> > + * (on current CPU). Always leaves with bottom half disabled.
> > + * If called recursively, then assumes bh/preempt already disabled.
> > + */
> > +void xt_info_rdlock_bh(void)
> > +{
> > +	struct xt_info_lock *lock;
> > +
> > +	preempt_disable();
> > +	lock = &__get_cpu_var(xt_info_locks);
> > +	if (likely(++lock->depth == 0))
> > +		spin_lock_bh(&lock->lock);
> > +	preempt_enable_no_resched();
> > +}
> > +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(xt_info_rdlock_bh);
> 
> This function is FUCKED UP.
> 
> It's total crap for several reasons"
> 
>  - the already-mentioned race with bottom half locking.
> 
>    If bottom halfs aren't already disabled, then if a bottom half comes in 
>    after the "++lock->depth" and before the spin_lock_bh(), then you will 
>    have no locking AT ALL for the processing of that bottom half - it will 
>    just increment the lock depth again, and nobody will have locked 
>    anything at all.
> 
>    And if for some reason, you can prove that bottom half processing is 
>    already disabled, then ALL THAT OTHER CRAP is just that - CRAP. The 
>    whole preemption disabling, the whole "_bh()" thing, everything.
> 
>    So either it's horribly buggy, or it's horribly broken and pointless. 
>    Take your pick.
> 
>  - the total lack of comments. Why does that "count" protect anything? 
>    It's not a recursive lock, since there is no ownership (two 
>    independent accessors could call this and both "get" the lock), so you 
>    had damn well better create some big-ass comments about why it's ok in 
>    this case, and what the rules are that make it ok.
> 
>    So DON'T GO AROUND CALLING IT A RECURSIVE LOCK! Don't write comments 
>    that are TOTAL AND UTTER SH*T! Just DON'T!
> 
>    It's a "reader lock". It's not "recursive".  It never was recursive, it 
>    never will be, and calling it that is just a sign that whoever wrote 
>    the function is a moron and doesn't know what he is doing. STOP DOING THIS!
> 
>  - that _idiotic_ "preempt_enable_no_resched()". F*ck me, but the comment 
>    already says that preemption is disabled when exiting, so why does it 
>    even bother to enable it? Why play those mindless games with preemption 
>    counts, knowing that they are bogus?
> 
>    Do it readably. Disable preemption first, and just re-enable it at 
>    UNLOCK time. No odd pseudo-reenables anywhere.
> 
> Oh, I know very well that the spli-locking will disable preemption, so 
> it's "correct" to play those games, but the point is, it's just damn 
> stupid and annoying. It just makes the source code actively _misleading_ 
> to see crap like that - it looks like you enabled preemption, when in fact 
> the code very much on purpose does _not_ enable preemption at all. 
> 
> In other words, I really REALLY hate that patch. I think it looks slightly 
> better than Eric Dumazet's original patch (at least the locking subtlety 
> is now in a function of its own and _could_ be commented upon sanely and 
> if it wasn't broken it might be acceptable), but quite frankly, I'd still 
> horribly disgusted with the crap.
> 
> Why are you doing this insane thing? If you want a read-lock, just use the 
> damned read-write locks already! Ad far as I can tell, this lock is in 
> _no_ way better than just using those counting reader-writer locks, except 
> it is open-coded and looks buggy.
> 
> There is basically _never_ a good reason to re-implement locking 
> primitives: you'll just introduce bugs. As proven very ably by the amount 
> of crap above in what is supposed to be a very simple function.
> 
> If you want a counting read-lock (in _order_ to allow recursion, but not 
> because the lock itself is somehow recursive!), then that function should 
> look like this:
> 
> 	void xt_info_rdlock_bh(void)
> 	{
> 		struct xt_info_lock *lock
> 
> 		local_bh_disable();
> 		lock = &__get_cpu_var(xt_info_locks);
> 		read_lock(&lock->lock);
> 	}
> 
> And then the "unlock" should be the reverse. No games, no crap, and 
> hopefully then no bugs. And if you do it that way, you don't even need the 
> comments, although quite frankly, it probably makes a lot of sense to talk 
> about the interaction between "local_bh_disable()" and the preempt count, 
> and why you're not using "read_lock_bh()".
> 
> And if you don't want a read-lock, then fine - don't use a read-lock, do 
> something else. But then don't just re-implement it (badly) either and 
> call it something else!
> 
> 			Linus
> 
> PS: Ingo, why do the *_bh() functions in kernel/spinlock.c do _both_ a 
> "local_bh_disable()" and a "preempt_disable()"? BH disable should disable 
> preemption too, no? Or am I confused? In which case we need that in 
> the above rdlock_bh too.

Ah a nice day, with Linus giving constructive feedback. Too bad he has
to channel it out of the dark side.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-21 16:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 215+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.64.0904101656190.2093@boston.corp.fedex.com>
     [not found] ` <20090410095246.4fdccb56@s6510>
2009-04-11  1:25   ` iptables very slow after commit784544739a25c30637397ace5489eeb6e15d7d49 David Miller
2009-04-11  1:39     ` iptables very slow after commit 784544739a25c30637397ace5489eeb6e15d7d49 Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11  4:15       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-11  5:14         ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-11  5:42           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-11  6:00           ` David Miller
2009-04-11 18:12             ` Kyle Moffett
2009-04-11 18:32               ` Arkadiusz Miskiewicz
2009-04-12  0:54               ` david
2009-04-12  5:05                 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-04-12 12:30                 ` Harald Welte
2009-04-12 16:38             ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-11 15:07           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-11 16:05             ` Jeff Chua
2009-04-11 17:51           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-11  7:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-11 15:05           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-11 17:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-12 10:54             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-12 11:34             ` Paul Mackerras
2009-04-12 17:31               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-13  1:13                 ` David Miller
2009-04-13  4:04                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-13 16:53                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-13 17:40                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-13 18:11                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-13 19:06                       ` Martin Josefsson
2009-04-13 19:17                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-13 22:24                       ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-13 23:20                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-13 23:26                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-13 23:37                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-13 23:52                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-14 12:27                       ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-14 14:23                         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-14 14:45                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-14 15:49                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-14 16:51                               ` Jeff Chua
2009-04-14 18:17                                 ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v2) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-14 19:28                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-14 21:11                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-14 21:13                                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-14 21:40                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-15 10:59                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-15 16:31                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-15 20:55                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-15 21:07                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-15 21:55                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-16 12:12                                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16 12:24                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-16 12:31                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-15 21:57                                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu rwlock rather than RCU (v4) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-15 23:48                                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) David Miller
2009-04-16  0:01                                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-16  0:05                                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-16 12:28                                                     ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16  0:10                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  0:45                                                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock and RCU (v5) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-16  5:01                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 13:53                                                         ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16 14:47                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16 16:10                                                             ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive spinlock (v6) Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 16:20                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 16:37                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16 16:59                                                                 ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16 17:58                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16 18:41                                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 20:49                                                                   ` [PATCH[] netfilter: use per-cpu reader-writer lock (v0.7) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-16 21:02                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16 23:04                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-17  0:13                                                                   ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive spinlock (v6) Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16 13:11                                                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) Patrick McHardy
2009-04-16 22:33                                                       ` David Miller
2009-04-16 23:49                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16 23:52                                                           ` [PATCH] netfilter: per-cpu spin-lock with recursion (v0.8) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-17  0:15                                                             ` Jeff Chua
2009-04-17  5:55                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17  6:03                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-17  6:14                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-17 17:08                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 11:17                                                               ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-17  1:28                                                           ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  2:19                                                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-17  5:05                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  5:44                                                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-17 14:51                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  4:50                                                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-17  5:08                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  5:16                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-17  5:40                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17  8:07                                                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-17 15:00                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17 17:22                                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 17:32                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-17  6:12                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 16:33                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-17 16:51                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-17 21:29                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-18  9:40                                                             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-18 14:14                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-20 17:34                                                                 ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v10) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-20 18:21                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-20 18:25                                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-20 20:32                                                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-20 20:42                                                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-20 21:05                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-20 21:23                                                                     ` Paul Mackerras
2009-04-20 21:58                                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-20 22:41                                                                         ` Paul Mackerras
2009-04-20 23:01                                                                           ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v11) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-21  3:41                                                                             ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  3:56                                                                               ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-21  4:15                                                                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-21  5:22                                                                                 ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  5:45                                                                                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-21  6:52                                                                                     ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  8:16                                                                                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-21  8:42                                                                                         ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  8:49                                                                                           ` David Miller
2009-04-21  8:55                                                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-21  9:22                                                                                           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-21  9:34                                                                                           ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  5:34                                                                                 ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21  4:59                                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-21 16:37                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-21  5:46                                                                             ` Lai Jiangshan
2009-04-21 16:13                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-21 16:43                                                                               ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2009-04-21 16:50                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-21 18:02                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 18:15                                                                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-21 19:10                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 19:46                                                                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-22  7:35                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22  8:53                                                                                       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-22 10:13                                                                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-22 11:26                                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 11:39                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-22 11:18                                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-22 15:19                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-22 16:57                                                                                           ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-22 17:18                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-22 20:46                                                                                               ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-22 17:48                                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 21:04                                                                                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-22  8:00                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 19:39                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21 21:39                                                                                   ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v13) Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-22  4:17                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-22 14:57                                                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-22 15:32                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-24  4:09                                                                                       ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU recursive lock {XIV} Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-24  4:58                                                                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-24 15:33                                                                                           ` Patrick McHardy
2009-04-24 16:18                                                                                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-24 20:43                                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-25 20:30                                                                                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: iptables no lockdep is needed Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-26  8:18                                                                                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-04-26 18:24                                                                                                 ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU recursive lock {XV} Eric Dumazet
2009-04-26 18:56                                                                                                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-26 21:57                                                                                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-26 22:32                                                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-27 17:44                                                                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-27 18:30                                                                                                         ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU r**ursive " Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-27 18:54                                                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-27 19:06                                                                                                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-27 19:46                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 19:48                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 20:36                                                                                                                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-27 20:58                                                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 21:40                                                                                                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-27 22:24                                                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 23:01                                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 23:03                                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-28  6:58                                                                                                                             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-28 11:53                                                                                                                               ` David Miller
2009-04-28 12:40                                                                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-28 13:43                                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-28 13:52                                                                                                                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-28 14:37                                                                                                                                       ` David Miller
2009-04-28 14:49                                                                                                                                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-28 15:00                                                                                                                                           ` David Miller
2009-04-28 16:24                                                                                                                                             ` [PATCH] netfilter: revised locking for x_tables Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-28 16:50                                                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-28 16:55                                                                                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-29  5:37                                                                                                                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                     ` <20090428.223708.168741998.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-30  3:26                                                                                                                                                       ` Jeff Chua
     [not found]                                                                                                                                                         ` <b6a2187b0904292026k7d6107a7vcdc761d4149f40aa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-04-30  3:31                                                                                                                                                           ` David Miller
2009-05-01  8:38                                                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use likely() in xt_info_rdlock_bh() Eric Dumazet
2009-05-01 16:10                                                                                                                                                       ` David Miller
2009-04-28 15:42                                                                                                                                     ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU r**ursive lock {XV} Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-28 17:35                                                                                                                                       ` Christoph Lameter
2009-04-28 15:09                                                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-27 23:32                                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-28  7:41                                                                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28 14:22                                                                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-28  7:42                                                                                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2009-04-26 19:31                                                                                                   ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-CPU recursive " Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-26 20:55                                                                                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-26 21:39                                                                                                       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2009-04-21 18:34                                                                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v11) Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-21 20:14                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-20 23:44                                                                           ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu recursive lock (v10) Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-16  0:02                                                 ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3) Linus Torvalds
2009-04-16  6:26                                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-04-16 14:33                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-15  3:23                                       ` David Miller
2009-04-14 17:19                               ` [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-11 15:50         ` iptables very slow after commit 784544739a25c30637397ace5489eeb6e15d7d49 Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-11 17:43           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-11 18:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-04-12  0:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-04-12  7:23             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2009-04-12 16:06             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-04-12 17:30               ` Paul E. McKenney

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