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From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>
To: Bill Fink <billfink@mindspring.com>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	Octavian Purdila <opurdila@ixiacom.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ports beeing reused too fast
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:45:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090509154515.28251a48@nehalam> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090509153135.04874f72.billfink@mindspring.com>

On Sat, 9 May 2009 15:31:35 -0400
Bill Fink <billfink@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 09 May 2009, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> 
> > Octavian Purdila a écrit :
> > > On Saturday 09 May 2009 09:58:25 Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > > 
> > >>> I've looked over the  code and it looks right, so maybe net_random() is
> > >>> not random enough? Or maybe there are side effects because of the %
> > >>> port_range?
> > >> Random is random :)
> > >> Probability a port can be reused pretty fast is not nul.
> > >>
> > > 
> > > Thinking again about it... you are right :)
> > > 
> > >> So yes, behavior you discovered is expected, when we switched port
> > >> selection from a sequential one (not very secure btw) to a random one.
> > >>
> > >> Any strong reason why a firewall would drop a SYN because ports were used
> > >> in a previous session ?
> > > 
> > > We don't know why the firewall (Cisco FWSM) is dropping the packets, may be a 
> > > bug, limitation or miss-configuration. We are trying to track this down with 
> > > the firewall vendor.
> > 
> > Normally, the client machine should not reuse a port during the TIME_WAIT duration
> > (TCP_TIMEWAIT_LEN being 60 seconds on linux). Port selection being random or sequential,
> > it should avoid all ports recently used.
> > 
> > Maybe this firewall has a longer TIME_WAIT enforcement (something like 2 minutes)
> 
> But he had 19 ports being reused after only 1000 connect()s, which
> with his stated ~360 (I'm assuming per second) connection rate,
> would only take about 3 seconds.
> 
> 						-Bill

This the same thing as the Birthday paradox

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-09 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-08 20:11 ports beeing reused too fast Octavian Purdila
2009-05-09  6:58 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-05-09 13:11   ` Octavian Purdila
2009-05-09 15:17     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-05-09 16:16       ` Eric Dumazet
2009-05-09 19:31       ` Bill Fink
2009-05-09 19:41         ` Octavian Purdila
2009-05-09 22:45         ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2009-05-12 12:32           ` Octavian Purdila
2009-05-12 15:11             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-05-12 15:52               ` Octavian Purdila
2009-05-14 20:29                 ` Stephen Hemminger

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