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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Jarek Poplawski <jarkao2@gmail.com>
Cc: "Robert Olsson" <robert@robur.slu.se>,
	"Robert Olsson" <Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_Staszewski?= <pstaszewski@itcare.pl>,
	"Robert Olsson" <robert.olsson@its.uu.se>,
	"Linux Network Development list" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: rib_trie / Fix inflate_threshold_root. Now=15 size=11 bits
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:05:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090626170538.GK6771@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090626164557.GB6755@ami.dom.local>

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 06:45:57PM +0200, Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 09:23:40AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 06:15:00PM +0200, Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 05:54:10PM +0200, Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 08:30:10AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 05:10:52PM +0200, Jarek Poplawski wrote:
> > > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 03:52:55PM +0200, Robert Olsson wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Jarek Poplawski writes:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  Thanks, 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  Should be worth testing so we synchronize_rcu instead of doing call_rcu's
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Alas take 2 (nor 1) doesn't compile, so here it is again.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So the idea is to balance memory and latency, so that large changes
> > > > > (those affecting the root node) get at least one synchronize_rcu(),
> > > > > while smaller changes just use call_rcu(), correct?  This means that
> > > > > the amount of memory awaiting an RCU grace period is limited, but
> > > > > the algorithm avoids per-node synchronize_rcu() overhead.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If I understand the goal correctly, looks good!  (Give or take my
> > > > > limited understanding of fib_trie and is usage, of course.)
> > > > 
> > > > The goal is practically to replace all call_rcu() during
> > > > trie_rebalance() with synchronize_rcu() (except some freeing after
> > > > ENOMEM). I guess currently (<= 2.6.30) call_rcu() can free this
> > > > memory after trie_rebalance() has finished, that's why there were
> > > > problems with enabled preemption. So this patch tries to do/force
> > > > this a bit earlier - at least before the top/largest node is
> > > > rebalanced.
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, we could probably stay with call_rcu() plus only
> > > one synchronize_rcu() before the top node's resize() if you think it's
> > > enough here?
> > 
> > Well, my first task is to understand the problem/goal.  ;-)
> > 
> > My guess from what you said above is that use of call_rcu(), when
> > combined with changes to the trie in rapid succession, is resulting
> > in excessive memory awaiting a grace period.  Is this the case, or am I
> > confused?
> 
> Exactly! (I guess... ;-)

;-)

In that case, simply invoking synchronize_rcu() every once and awhile
should take care of things.  This could be at the end of every large
trie operation, or you could even count the call_rcu() invocations and
do a synchronize_rcu() every 100th, 1,000th, or whatever, based on
the amount of memory available.

							Thanx, Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-26 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-25 15:48 rib_trie / Fix inflate_threshold_root. Now=15 size=11 bits Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-25 21:19 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-06-25 21:52   ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-25 22:54     ` Eric Dumazet
2009-06-26 10:06       ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-26 10:34         ` Eric Dumazet
2009-06-26 10:47           ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-26 10:52             ` Eric Dumazet
2009-06-26 17:26               ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-26  8:03   ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26  9:19     ` Robert Olsson
2009-06-26  9:37       ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 10:26         ` Jorge Boncompte [DTI2]
2009-06-26 12:42         ` Robert Olsson
2009-06-26 12:54           ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 13:28             ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 13:52               ` Robert Olsson
2009-06-26 15:10                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 15:30                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-06-26 15:54                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 16:15                       ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 16:23                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-06-26 16:45                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 17:05                             ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2009-06-26 18:05                               ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 18:21                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-06-26 20:19                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 20:26                                 ` Robert Olsson
2009-06-26 20:37                                   ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-26 21:20                                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-27 19:20       ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-27 20:51         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-28  0:28           ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-28 11:11           ` Robert Olsson
2009-06-29  7:57             ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-28 11:04         ` Robert Olsson
2009-06-28 12:03           ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-28 14:35           ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-28 15:32             ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-28 15:48               ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-28 19:56                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-28 21:36                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-29  8:08                   ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-29  8:47                     ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-29  9:27                       ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-29  9:43                         ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-29  8:33                   ` [PATCH net-2.6] " Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-29  9:51                     ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-29 10:47                       ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-29 16:24                         ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-29 17:09                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-30  7:09                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-30 20:16                           ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-06-30 20:41                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-30 23:31                               ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-01  6:36                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found]                                   ` <20090701072409.GA12592@ff.dom.local>
2009-07-01  9:43                                     ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-01  9:50                                       ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-01 10:13                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-01 11:04                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-01 22:17                                           ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-02  5:32                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-02  5:43                                               ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-02  6:00                                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-02 15:31                                                   ` Robert Olsson
2009-07-02 19:06                                                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-02 21:32                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2009-07-02 22:13                                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-05  0:26                                                   ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-05  0:30                                                     ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-05 16:20                                                       ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-05 17:32                                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-05 21:32                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-07-05 22:23                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-05 23:53                                                               ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-06  9:02                                                                 ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-07 22:56                                                                   ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-07 23:50                                                                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-09 20:34                                                                       ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-14 19:41                                                                         ` [PATCH net-next] " Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-15  7:43                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2009-07-15 13:05                                                                             ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-17  8:08                                                                               ` Robert Olsson
2009-07-20 14:41                                                                           ` David Miller
2009-07-07 23:23                                                                   ` [PATCH net-2.6] " Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-07 23:30                                                                     ` Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-14 18:33                                                             ` [PATCH net-next] " Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-20 14:41                                                               ` David Miller
2009-07-14 21:20                                                             ` [PATCH net-next] ipv4: fib_trie: Use tnode_get_child_rcu() and node_parent_rcu() in lookups Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-20 14:41                                                               ` David Miller
2009-07-05  0:31                                                     ` [PATCH net-2.6] Re: rib_trie / Fix inflate_threshold_root. Now=15 size=11 bits Paweł Staszewski
2009-07-05 12:56                                                     ` [PATCH -stable] " Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-05 13:08                                                     ` [PATCH v2 " Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-08  2:42                                                       ` David Miller
2009-07-08  6:44                                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-29 10:58                       ` [PATCH net-2.6] " Jarek Poplawski
2009-06-30 19:48                         ` David Miller
2009-06-30 20:14                           ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-07-10 15:29                           ` Stephen Hemminger

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