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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	hpa@zytor.com, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 2/2] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:25:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090812132539.GD29200@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A82BD2F.7080405@gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:01:35AM -0400, Gregory Haskins wrote:
> I think I understand what your comment above meant:  You don't need to
> do synchronize_rcu() because you can flush the workqueue instead to
> ensure that all readers have completed.

Yes.

>  But if thats true, to me, the
> rcu_dereference itself is gratuitous,

Here's a thesis on what rcu_dereference does (besides documentation):

reader does this

	A: sock = n->sock
	B: use *sock

Say writer does this:

	C: newsock = allocate socket
	D: initialize(newsock)
	E: n->sock = newsock
	F: flush


On Alpha, reads could be reordered.  So, on smp, command A could get
data from point F, and command B - from point D (uninitialized, from
cache).  IOW, you get fresh pointer but stale data.
So we need to stick a barrier in there.

> and that pointer is *not* actually
> RCU protected (nor does it need to be).

Heh, if readers are lockless and writer does init/update/sync,
this to me spells rcu.

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MST

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-12 13:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <cover.1249992497.git.mst@redhat.com>
2009-08-11 21:27 ` [PATCHv2 1/2] mm: export use_mm/unuse_mm to modules Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-11 22:10   ` Andrew Morton
2009-09-17  5:38     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-09-17  5:43       ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-11 21:28 ` [PATCHv2 2/2] vhost_net: a kernel-level virtio server Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-12  0:06   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-12  9:02     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-12 13:01       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-12 13:25         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2009-08-12 13:41           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-08-12 13:47             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-12 14:11           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-08-12 14:15             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-12 15:26               ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-08-12 15:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-12 16:06                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-08-12 10:52     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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