From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@dell.com>
Cc: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org,
Narendra_K@dell.com, jordan_hargrave@dell.com
Subject: Re: PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:23:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091010052308.GA12458@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091010044056.GA5350@mock.linuxdev.us.dell.com>
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 11:40:57PM -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
> The fundamental roadblock to this is that enumeration != naming,
> except that it is for network devices, and we keep changing the
> enumeration order.
No, the hardware changes the enumeration order, it places _no_
guarantees on what order stuff will be found in. So this is not the
kernel changing, just to be clear.
Again, I have a machine here that likes to reorder PCI devices every 4th
or so boot times, and that's fine according to the PCI spec. Yeah, it's
a crappy BIOS, but the manufacturer rightly pointed out that it is not
in violation of anything.
> Today, port naming is completely nondeterministic. If you have but
> one NIC, there are few chances to get the name wrong (it'll be eth0).
> If you have >1 NIC, chances increase to get it wrong.
That is why all distros name network devices based on the only
deterministic thing they have today, the MAC address. I still fail to
see why you do not like this solution, it is honestly the only way to
properly name network devices in a sane manner.
All distros also provide a way to easily rename the network devices, to
place a specific name on a specific MAC address, so again, this should
all be solved already.
No matter how badly your BIOS teams mess up the PCI enumeration order :)
thanks,
greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-10-10 5:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2009-10-09 14:00 ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:51 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 16:23 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:56 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-12 10:41 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 11:31 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 17:37 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-13 18:06 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 19:53 ` John W. Linville
2009-10-09 16:36 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:17 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:22 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 21:09 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 2:44 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 4:40 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 5:23 ` Greg KH [this message]
2009-10-10 8:17 ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10 16:27 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 19:00 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 21:10 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 12:47 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 16:25 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 17:34 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 21:13 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 6:21 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-11 16:40 ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 18:47 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:11 ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:35 ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-11 21:10 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 23:04 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 3:00 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:35 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:44 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 17:45 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:55 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:15 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:32 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 21:06 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 18:02 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-12 7:30 ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-11 0:37 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-13 15:08 ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:13 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:36 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 0:32 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 14:02 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 15:20 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:33 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:41 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40 ` dann frazier
2009-10-19 11:30 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 16:14 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-11-04 14:23 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 8:49 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:06 ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:35 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 23:17 ` dann frazier
2009-11-09 14:41 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-10 17:23 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-11 6:31 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 22:05 ` Domsch, Matt
2009-10-22 6:36 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-27 20:55 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 8:23 ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-28 13:03 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 15:09 ` dann frazier
2009-10-28 16:09 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:11 ` Greg KH
2009-10-28 13:06 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-28 19:15 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 13:11 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-29 14:25 ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:44 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 16:52 ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:22 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 17:50 ` dann frazier
2009-10-29 16:49 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 16:55 ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:12 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 17:20 ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:46 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 3:30 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 5:38 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 6:22 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 15:00 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 15:13 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-30 16:08 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 16:53 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-30 17:05 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 17:10 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-30 17:13 ` Greg KH
2009-10-30 7:45 ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-10-30 16:22 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-30 16:34 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-13 19:51 ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:00 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:19 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 22:05 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:08 ` dann frazier
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2009-10-28 13:06 ` Narendra K
[not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE589541@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-12 18:47 ` Narendra K
2009-10-12 19:09 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 19:41 ` Karl O. Pinc
2009-10-13 18:17 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:56 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 19:48 ` Matt Domsch
[not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE58953F@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Narendra K
[not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE5894F6@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-09 16:04 ` Narendra K
2009-10-09 16:12 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-09 16:25 ` Matt Domsch
[not found] <5DDAB7BA7BDB58439DD0EED0B8E9A3AE011CD92D@ausx3mpc102.aus.amer.dell.com>
2009-08-19 18:56 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-19 19:26 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-08-19 19:40 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-20 4:41 ` Bryan Kadzban
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