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From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.com>
Cc: Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@dell.com>,
	Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@vyatta.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org,
	Narendra_K@dell.com, jordan_hargrave@dell.com
Subject: Re: PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:15:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091012181546.GA9236@kroah.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091012180740.GE22736@nostromo.devel.redhat.com>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 02:07:42PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Greg KH (greg@kroah.com) said: 
> > > No, it's not solved. Even if you have persistent names once you install,
> > > if you ever re-image, you're likely to get *different* persistent names;
> > > the first load will always be non-detmerministic.
> > > 
> > > The only way around this would be to have some sort of screen like:
> > > 
> > >   Would you like your network devices to be enumerated by
> > > 
> > >   [ ] MAC address
> > >   [ ] PCI device order
> > >   [ ] Driver name
> > >   [ ] Other
> > 
> > [ ] PCI slot name
> > 
> > That's one that modern systems are now reporting, and should solve
> > Matt's problem as well, right?
> 
> ... maybe. On my laptop, the first 'slot' enumerated appears to be
> the cardbus bridge, before the on-board ethernet. And on the desktop
> next to me, the slot driver shows nothing.

On servers, where this matters (multiple ethernet pci devices), this
should all be present if the manufacturer wants it to be, as it is just
an ACPI table entry.

> > And I don't see how Matt's proposed patch helps resolve this type of
> > issue any better than what we currently have today, do you?
> 
> It allows multiple addressing schemes to be active at once, which
> can allow the admin to choose post-install without making an
> active choice at installation. This is an improvement, even if
> it doesn't solve the world.

But these different names can not be used by the networking stack, or in
scripts, as others have pointed out.  Which seems to be the big problem
here.

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-12 18:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-10-09 14:00 ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:51   ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 16:23     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:56       ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-12 10:41     ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 11:31       ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 17:37       ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-13 18:06         ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53           ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 19:53             ` John W. Linville
2009-10-09 16:36   ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:17     ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:22       ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 21:09   ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10  2:44     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10  4:40       ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10  5:23         ` Greg KH
2009-10-10  8:17           ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10 16:27             ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 19:00               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 21:10                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 12:47           ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 16:25             ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 17:34               ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 21:13                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12  6:21                   ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19                     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-11 16:40               ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 18:47                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:11           ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:35             ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-11 21:10           ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 23:04             ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12  3:00             ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:35               ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:44                 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 17:45           ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:55             ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:07               ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:15                 ` Greg KH [this message]
2009-10-10 18:32         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 21:06           ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 18:02             ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53               ` Narendra_K
2009-10-12  7:30           ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-11  0:37         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-13 15:08   ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:13     ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:36       ` dann frazier
2009-10-16  0:32         ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 14:02           ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 15:20             ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:33               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:41                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-19 11:30                   ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 16:14                     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-11-04 14:23                       ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06  8:49                         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:06                           ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:35                             ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 23:17                               ` dann frazier
2009-11-09 14:41                               ` Narendra_K
2009-11-10 17:23                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-11  6:31                                   ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 22:05                         ` Domsch, Matt
2009-10-22  6:36                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-27 20:55                     ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28  8:23                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-28 13:03                         ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 15:09                           ` dann frazier
2009-10-28 16:09                             ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09                             ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:11                               ` Greg KH
2009-10-28 13:06                         ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-28 19:15                         ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 13:11                         ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-29 14:25                           ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:44                             ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 16:52                               ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:22                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 17:50                                   ` dann frazier
2009-10-29 16:49                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 16:55                               ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:12                                 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 17:20                                   ` Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:46                             ` dann frazier
2009-10-30  3:30                               ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30  5:38                                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30  6:22                                   ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 15:00                                     ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 15:13                               ` Narendra_K
2009-10-30 16:08                                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 16:53                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-30 17:05                                     ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 17:10                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-30 17:13                                     ` Greg KH
2009-10-30  7:45                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-10-30 16:22                           ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-30 16:34                             ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-13 19:51       ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:00         ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:19           ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 22:05             ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:08             ` dann frazier
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE58964E@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-28 13:06 ` Narendra K
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE589541@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-12 18:47 ` Narendra K
2009-10-12 19:09   ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 19:41     ` Karl O. Pinc
2009-10-13 18:17       ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:56         ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 19:48     ` Matt Domsch
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE58953F@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Narendra K
     [not found] <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE5894F6@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
2009-10-09 16:04 ` Narendra K
2009-10-09 16:12   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-09 16:25     ` Matt Domsch
     [not found] <5DDAB7BA7BDB58439DD0EED0B8E9A3AE011CD92D@ausx3mpc102.aus.amer.dell.com>
2009-08-19 18:56 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-19 19:26   ` Ben Hutchings
2009-08-19 19:40     ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-08-20  4:41   ` Bryan Kadzban

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