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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Regression in linux 2.6.32 virtio_net seen with vhost-net
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:37:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091216103726.GB28541@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200912161507.53805.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 03:07:53PM +1030, Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:02:27 am Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > Right. Hmm. So for this to work we'll need to
> > 1. Free skb upon interrupt instead of
> >    waiting for the next xmit call
> > 2. Add API to query free ring capacity
> > 
> > Rusty, sounds like a good plan?
> 
> Well, the query stuff is not too bad, but I can't completely convince myself
> it's race-free.  We don't want to do locking.

We do not want to lock TX? For performance?
It might not be a problem: interrupts only start
to be enabled when we are running out of space on TX,
so this is a kind of slow path anyway now.

If necessary, we can also only do this range check
if netif_tx_queue_stopped.

> A NAPI-style solution seems cleaner, and I'm testing that now.

Hmm, as you say separately, this might not be 2.6.32 material though.
Maybe a simply capacity check will be safe enough for 2.6.32.

> > We could also extend host to delay interrupt
> > until there is sufficient TX capacity
> > but of course we also need to support
> > old hosts as well.
> 
> Xen does this, and I rejected it in favor of simple enable/disable
> flags in the original virtio design.  It was probably wrong: while the
> guest can enable on a "few remaining" heuristic, it's going to have
> latency.  The host can do a more timely decision.
> 
> There's nothing stopping the Host from doing this heuristic today, of
> course: the DISABLE flag is advisory only.

Heh, but this might hurt performance on guests that do
assume it's used correctly. A new feature might be cleaner?

>  But let's check the limitations
> of the guest-enable approach first?

Sure.

> Thanks,
> Rusty.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-16 10:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-08 22:50 [RFC PATCH] Regression in linux 2.6.32 virtio_net seen with vhost-net Sridhar Samudrala
2009-12-13 12:25 ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-13 23:40   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 14:42     ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-15 16:26       ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-12-16  1:21         ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-15 23:32       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16  1:58         ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-16  4:37         ` Rusty Russell
2009-12-16 10:37           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2009-12-16  2:41   ` Rusty Russell
2009-12-16  2:53     ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-16 12:45       ` Rusty Russell
2009-12-16 13:22         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 13:35           ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-16 13:38             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 13:48               ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17  2:02           ` Rusty Russell
2009-12-17  9:25             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-18  1:55               ` Rusty Russell
2009-12-16 13:30         ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17  1:43         ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-12-17  3:12           ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17  5:02             ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-12-17  3:15           ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17  5:05             ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-12-17  6:28               ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17  6:45                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-12-17 10:03                   ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-17 11:27                     ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-12-17 11:45                       ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17 11:49                         ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17 12:08                           ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17 12:27                             ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-17 12:42                               ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-12-17 12:56                                 ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17 13:22                                   ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-17 13:04                                 ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-17 13:44                               ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17 14:35                                 ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-17 14:36                                   ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17 21:50                                     ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-12-17 22:28                                       ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-12-17 22:41                                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-12-18 13:46                                       ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-18 19:13                                       ` Sridhar Samudrala
2009-12-17 11:59                         ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-17 12:19                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-12-17 11:56                       ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-17 13:17                         ` Jarek Poplawski
2009-12-17 14:10                           ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-17 14:16                             ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-16 17:42     ` Sridhar Samudrala
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-12-17 11:20 Krishna Kumar
2009-12-17 19:28 ` Jarek Poplawski
     [not found] <20091217111219.9809.27432.sendpatchset@krkumar2.in.ibm.com>
     [not found] ` <20091217123153.GA31131@gondor.apana.org.au>
2009-12-17 12:56   ` Krishna Kumar2
2009-12-17 13:40     ` Herbert Xu
2009-12-17 13:56       ` Krishna Kumar2

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